2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

How do we build through the draft when we seem to always pick ~13?

How do we maximize existing asset value to assist in building through the draft when the coach and ownership seemingly direct the team to compete every year?

Your proposal seems like the obvious approach in a vaccum, but the reality is that this core is coming to contract loggerheads that is going to create a situation where we could lose some of it for nothing. That window is closer than the window of existing prospects we could hope to use to build from the draft will be good enough to be meaningful.

Ownership doesn't want to rebuild, clearly. So the alternative is to try and win now before the contract situation makes that even more untenable. Eichel is a way to achieve that, cupboards be damned. If the Eichel experiment fails, the team will most certainly be set back, but this will actually FORCE ownership to finally do the rebuild/ build through draft approach properly. Until then we are stuck in limbo.

Also hard to build through the draft when we are in the bottom 5 in the league in draft picks in the last ~5 years. Let's not pretend this is what we have been doing/what we will be doing.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

How do we build through the draft when we seem to always pick ~13?

How do we maximize existing asset value to assist in building through the draft when the coach and ownership seemingly direct the team to compete every year?

Your proposal seems like the obvious approach in a vaccum, but the reality is that this core is coming to contract loggerheads that is going to create a situation where we could lose some of it for nothing. That window is closer than the window of existing prospects we could hope to use to build from the draft will be good enough to be meaningful.

Ownership doesn't want to rebuild, clearly. So the alternative is to try and win now before the contract situation makes that even more untenable. Eichel is a way to achieve that, cupboards be damned. If the Eichel experiment fails, the team will most certainly be set back, but this will actually FORCE ownership to finally do the rebuild/ build through draft approach properly. Until then we are stuck in limbo.

Well I would suggest Treliving get on his horse and get something done for someone upfront one way or the other. Patience has a place as a GM, but he's constantly missing deals by not putting all of his chips on the table at one point or another.

You're right. If trading for Eichel fails in the long run, it's actually a good thing as there's nothing left to interpretation with this train wreck. If it works, just maybe this group has some mileage to finally do something.

The longer this inactivity goes on, the less likely anything gets done and this team will be right back picking 11-14 once again.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

What’s the plan at LD in place of Gio? I get that committee approach sounds good but who is Darryl really going to give those minutes to? I can’t see Zadorov nor Valimaki.

Hanifin or Andersson

The truth is we were bad even with Gio
Now we are scrambling just to get back to that bad place

Treliving has done nothing to fix the scoring problem so far

And yeah I know he got Coleman

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Also hard to build through the draft when we are in the bottom 5 in the league in draft picks in the last ~5 years. Let's not pretend this is what we have been doing/what we will be doing.

Yes, the Flames haven't had many picks, but based on the picks they have had, most draft models absolutely love their prospect pool, including Byron Bader, who has the Flames ranked as having the 6th strongest prospect pool in the NHL (8th in players, 11th in goalies):

https://twitter.com/user/status/1421117051733610496

Would be interesting to see how deep the Flames' prospect pool would be if they had more picks, but at the same time, in a situation like with Eichel, when you have a strong prospect pool and are looking to contend now, it's a no-brainer.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Yes, the Flames haven't had many picks, but based on the picks they have had, most draft models absolutely love their prospect pool, including Byron Bader, who has the Flames ranked as having the 6th strongest prospect pool in the NHL (8th in players, 11th in goalies):

https://twitter.com/user/status/1421117051733610496

Would be interesting to see how deep the Flames' prospect pool would be if they had more picks, but at the same time, in a situation like with Eichel, when you have a strong prospect pool and are looking to contend now, it's a no-brainer.

Maybe the Flames use his model to draft hah. I would bet the majority of rankings would have the Flames 20 or lower. I hope he is right!

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Also hard to build through the draft when we are in the bottom 5 in the league in draft picks in the last ~5 years. Let's not pretend this is what we have been doing/what we will be doing.

We had a few lean years in terms of picks, but the last two with us picking 16 times probably has flipped the script from bottom 5 to top 5.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Maybe the Flames use his model to draft hah. I would bet the majority of rankings would have the Flames 20 or lower. I hope he is right!

Most rankings are based on personal opinion, which tends to lead to lots of bias.

People like Bader, who simply only use statistics in their rankings/analysis, eliminate that bias.

But yes, obviously no ranking is perfect and would be quite nice if he was right haha

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Yes, the Flames haven't had many picks, but based on the picks they have had, most draft models absolutely love their prospect pool, including Byron Bader, who has the Flames ranked as having the 6th strongest prospect pool in the NHL (8th in players, 11th in goalies):

https://twitter.com/user/status/1421117051733610496

Would be interesting to see how deep the Flames' prospect pool would be if they had more picks, but at the same time, in a situation like with Eichel, when you have a strong prospect pool and are looking to contend now, it's a no-brainer.

All the teams rumored to be in on Eichel are at the top even Minny. So then full steam ahead? We can handle losing some pieces

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Hanifin or Andersson

The truth is we were bad even with Gio
Now we are scrambling just to get back to that bad place

Treliving has done nothing to fix the scoring problem so far

And yeah I know he got Coleman

I don't think they are sliding Rasmus over to the left side. Hanifin will be a work horse i agree, and he should be salivating at the opportunity. But they still have 35 minutes or so to split between two others on the left side.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Also hard to build through the draft when we are in the bottom 5 in the league in draft picks in the last ~5 years. Let's not pretend this is what we have been doing/what we will be doing.

Although not technically a pick, Emil Hieneman, is about as close to an additional pick as you can have as well.

effectively the 2020 draft was one 1st, two 2nds, two 3rds, one 4th, one 5th, one 6th, one 7th.

17 picks (or 16 + 1 prospect if you like) in two draft.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Well I would suggest Treliving get on his horse and get something done for someone upfront one way or the other. Patience has a place as a GM, but he's constantly missing deals by not putting all of his chips on the table at one point or another.

You're right. If trading for Eichel fails in the long run, it's actually a good thing as there's nothing left to interpretation with this train wreck. If it works, just maybe this group has some mileage to finally do something.

The longer this inactivity goes on, the less likely anything gets done and this team will be right back picking 11-14 once again.

And you know he hasn’t done this how? It take 2 teams and in some cases agreeable players to complete a deal

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Robbob

We had a few lean years in terms of picks, but the last two with us picking 16 times probably has flipped the script from bottom 5 to top 5.

You can argue where they rank to some degree, but Calgary is certainly not top 5.


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[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Yes, the Flames haven't had many picks, but based on the picks they have had, most draft models absolutely love their prospect pool, including Byron Bader, who has the Flames ranked as having the 6th strongest prospect pool in the NHL (8th in players, 11th in goalies):

https://twitter.com/user/status/1421117051733610496

Would be interesting to see how deep the Flames' prospect pool would be if they had more picks, but at the same time, in a situation like with Eichel, when you have a strong prospect pool and are looking to contend now, it's a no-brainer.

Hadn’t seen that. That’s as optimistic an outlook as I’ve seen on our cupboard, so it’s nice to see.

[Winsor_Pilates]

That ranking is surprising to me.
I assumed we were mid to bottom but admittedly don't follow prospects much, especially around the league.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Yes, the Flames haven't had many picks, but based on the picks they have had, most draft models absolutely love their prospect pool, including Byron Bader, who has the Flames ranked as having the 6th strongest prospect pool in the NHL (8th in players, 11th in goalies):

https://twitter.com/user/status/1421117051733610496

Would be interesting to see how deep the Flames' prospect pool would be if they had more picks, but at the same time, in a situation like with Eichel, when you have a strong prospect pool and are looking to contend now, it's a no-brainer.

Geez the rest of the leagues prospects must be awful because our prospects are not great…..wow

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Geez the rest of the leagues prospects must be awful because our prospects are not great…..wow

Either that or you are woefully uninformed haha

[Jay Random]

If you click through, you'll find that Bader's rating counts both Vladar and Werner as prospects. That moves the Flames up substantially in the goalie rankings and raises their overall score.

In his comments, he also mentions that the team has been getting good value for where it's been drafting.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Geez the rest of the leagues prospects must be awful because our prospects are not great…..wow

What do you think of Pelletier, Zary, Wolf, Coronato? All of these players have tremendous upside.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

What do you think of Pelletier, Zary, Wolf, Coronato? All of these players have tremendous upside.

Pelletier probably be a 3rd line player
Zary has potential to be a 2 center or top 6 winger
Coronato, with any luck top 6 winger

Wolf, goalies are a crap shoot. Anywhere from bust to starter, throw a dart

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Pelletier probably be a 3rd line player
Zary has potential to be a 2 center or top 6 winger
Coronato, with any luck top 6 winger

Wolf, goalies are a crap shoot. Anywhere from bust to starter, throw a dart

You may be pleasantly surprised in that case

Hopefully 3 of the 4 stick with the team and we get to find out!