Is there any proof that is true? In most professions having some kind screaming at you constantly is going to reduce performance rather than increase it.
I’m going on my own experience of playing competitve sports and winning championships. Someone has to hold the group accountable towards meeting their goal.
In many cases it’s the coach. On really good teams the players do it.
Every crappy team I ever played on did not have this.
Is there any proof that is true? In most professions having some kind screaming at you constantly is going to reduce performance rather than increase it.
As I said in another part of the thread. It’s an artform. The term “buying in” that you hear all of the time is generally referring to this. Getting all of the players to buy in to putting the work in towards being the best. Because it is a lot of work to be the best. Not everyone is committed enough to do it.
1) Tkachuk quit on the team because he was mad they didn't come to his defense.
2) Team leadership literally neutered one of their best assets by telling him not to play his style.
1) He wouldn't quit on the team because they didn't beat up Muzzin right away. For sure it had to be that locker room meeting where they told him they don't want him to agitate the other teams anymore because they are too weak to stand up for him. Tkachuk's season turned 180 after that game.
Besides didn't Gaudreau say in an interview after most of the bench didn't even know what happened at the end of the game to Tkachuk.
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You have no argument from me there. But by the same token I also don't believe that MacKinnon's treatment of his teammates is the key ingredient to putting the Avalanche over the top.
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This is why Landeskog is the captain and not MacKinnon. The thing with the trash talking on Iggy's part (from the other poster) - I can't buy that either.
Do you think T.J Compher would be allowed to dictate the food provided at the Avs’ rink? Or that Ian Mitchell could tell the Hawks’ trainers he was using Keith’s skates if they felt better that day?
Apples and oranges. Leaders versus non-leaders.
The Keith thing is weird but probably also taken out of context. I'm sure the player he took the skates from had another pair that was "lent" to Keith.
As for Mackinnion getting rid of donuts and garbage food in the dressing room, I don't see how any one can view this as bad or "bullying"; this is leadership. They are professional athletes being paid millions, they shouldn't even need Mackinnion to tell them not to eat garbage food. They have a responsibility to take care of their bodies and perform to their contract.
Olympic athletes are very strict with their diets and they don't make nearly as much as professional athletes make.
You want to rip on Mackinnion for shooting a puck back at a teammate after a bad pass in practice, sure, I'll give you that, maybe he could have handled it better, like pulling the teammate aside and quietly talking to him instead of "showing him up" in front of the whole team, but it's clear he did that to send a message to the entire team. But to rip Mackinnion for demanding that his teammates be professional and eat like a real athlete and live up to their contract? I don't know why you are upset at that.
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I’m guessing a moment like getting in a teammates face or firing a puck back at them happens after a string of poor plays, and aren’t the automatic reactions to one-off mistakes.
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1) He wouldn't quit on the team because they didn't beat up Muzzin right away. For sure it had to be that locker room meeting where they told him they don't want him to agitate the other teams anymore because they are too weak to stand up for him. Tkachuk's season turned 180 after that game.
Besides didn't Gaudreau say in an interview after most of the bench didn't even know what happened at the end of the game to Tkachuk.
Again, we don't know any of this. It was a players-only meeting, the contents of which can only be guessed at.
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The Keith thing is weird but probably also taken out of context. I'm sure the player he took the skates from had another pair that was "lent" to Keith.
As for Mackinnion getting rid of donuts and garbage food in the dressing room, I don't see how any one can view this as bad or "bullying"; this is leadership. They are professional athletes being paid millions, they shouldn't even need Mackinnion to tell them not to eat garbage food. They have a responsibility to take care of their bodies and perform to their contract.
Olympic athletes are very strict with their diets and they don't make nearly as much as professional athletes make.
You want to rip on Mackinnion for shooting a puck back at a teammate after a bad pass in practice, sure, I'll give you that, maybe he could have handled it better, like pulling the teammate aside and quietly talking to him instead of "showing him up" in front of the whole team, but it's clear he did that to send a message to the entire team. But to rip Mackinnion for demanding that his teammates be professional and eat like a real athlete and live up to their contract? I don't know why you are upset at that.
The Keith thing wasn’t meant as taking a player’s only pair of skates. It was more about him being funny/weird/quirky. He would ask players to try on their skates. Then after putting them on, if he liked the fit he’d be like “I’m playing in those tonight”. I’m sure the player(s) could’ve refused. That said, he knows he is a legend and that people would just go with it.
Zadorov had another anecdote about Keith I omitted. I’m just gonna paraphrase . Essentially when players would get called up for their first game. Keith would come to them without introducing himself or saying hello. He would ask them something like “so, what is your leg routine during the summer”. The young player would be in awe, because it’s Keith, he’s a legend. He would mumble something about squats or w.e. Then Keith with a serious face would be like “o.k” and walk away. Apparently it helped the young players to get a little bit of the tension off. Z thinks it’s just Keith’s way of pranking tge new guys a little.
1) He wouldn't quit on the team because they didn't beat up Muzzin right away. For sure it had to be that locker room meeting where they told him they don't want him to agitate the other teams anymore because they are too weak to stand up for him. Tkachuk's season turned 180 after that game.
Besides didn't Gaudreau say in an interview after most of the bench didn't even know what happened at the end of the game to Tkachuk.
That's a theory for sure.
It just isn't a fact though.
With most rumoured things there is likely some truth to it, and but it resides somewhere in the middle.
My guess would be ... Tkachuk overreacted a bit to players not coming to his defense. I think there's some truth to the idea that players were leaving the ice and didn't see it. And then in that discussion some players suggested every night didn't have to be chaos.
But he certainly wasn't himself, and that's on him.
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Part 5 – NHL superstitions, Zadorov’s pre-game routine
• You were saying that Nichushkin is the most superstitious player you know.
o Yes, Valeri is.
• What sort of superstitions does he have?
o First of all he believes in god, and he has a bunch of icons(religious works of art, common in the eastern orthodox church).
Do you believe in God?
• No, I’m an atheist.
o If he scores a goal with a stick, he plays with it until it completely falls apart. He tapes/fixes it just so it doesn't fall apart.
o I’ve seen many Americans and Canadians that are even more superstitious though. They lose their minds if something goes wrong in their game prep.
• What’s the strangest superstition you have seen?
o Tyler Ennis, he brushes his teeth before a game. His teeth are super white. I think he brushes them like 20 times a day. We have disposable toothbrushes in the locker room. Every time before he gets out for the first period. He gives his teeth a really hard scrub.
• What about you? I heard you had a superstition that you had to take a shower before a game.
o Yes, I have a routine. It changes a little bit.
o I always take a shower before a game. Now I jump into a cold bath right before a game to get my blood pumping.
o Two years ago, I wasn’t taking cold baths, but I started taking them again this year.
• Why did you start doing that?
o I don’t know I think I saw someone doing it during my first year in Buffalo.
o Do you know Patrick Marleau? He has something like 1700 games played. He takes a cold bath after each period. Multiply 1700 x 3… He takes off all his clothes/equipment gets in the bath and gets it all back on after, every period.
So did you get it from him?
• Honestly, probably not, but I can’t remember.
o You just try to do things before the game that would make you feel better during the game. So that you are better prepared. Each player has his own routine.
o My routine is:
A morning skate, I usually wake up at around 8, drive my daughter to school, then I go for the skate.
After the skate I drive home, my wife cooks me food. I usually have two pieces of grilled red fish, some sweet potatoes, half a sliced Avocado, and tomatoes with (didn’t say which) oil. I also have a chickpea pasta without sauce. The benefit of chickpea pasta is that it doesn’t have as many empty carbs. You don’t need them for the game because you would quickly run out of energy. It has more proteins which give you more energy during the game.
I finish eating around noon. Then I go play counter strike. I play 3 games.
I turn off my computer, sit, and meditate for 20 minutes. I have an app on my iPhone. It has a special sensor/disk/pad you place on your artery, put on headphones. You end up feeling the music through your entire body and it helps you relax. I lay down like that shutting my brain completely.
I put on (special compression) pants for 30 minutes to get my legs ready for the game. I listen to music during that time.
I have a shower, put on a suit, and drive to the rink.
• You don’t even sleep/nap?
o Yes, this year I stopped doing that.
o I used to only play one game of counter strike and nap for 2 hours. That resulted in me feeling a bit sluggish during the game.
o This year I changed it to no sleep, and I feel a lot more energy during the game. When you sleep 8.5-9 hours at night, that’s enough for your body. You don’t need that nap because it throws off your biological clock a bit.
• What if you lose all 3 games in counter strike?
o Then I rage for a bit, especially if I get bad teammates.
o That’s how NHL players get ready
• You remember when we were taught as kids? We were always told to throw out the phone before the game.
o Yes, yes. MacKinnon is playing fortnight during all the time before he drives to the game. He doesn’t even sleep.
o MacKinnon likes to lose at fortnight because then he comes to the game angry and has a better game as a result.
o Many players are like that.
o They make a lot better screens now, and have special glasses, so your eyes don’t get as tired before the hockey game.
o The video games help hockey players focus, because you have to use your quick reaction time, which keeps you on the edge.
o It helps me but that’s not for everyone.
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"• You were saying that Nichushkin is the most superstitious player you know.
o Yes, Valeri is.
• What sort of superstitions does he have?
o First of all he believes in god"
That is amazingly funny.
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With most rumoured things there is likely some truth to it, and but it resides somewhere in the middle.
My guess would be ... Tkachuk overreacted a bit to players not coming to his defense. I think there's some truth to the idea that players were leaving the ice and didn't see it. And then in that discussion some players suggested every night didn't have to be chaos.
But he certainly wasn't himself, and that's on him.
Why is it on him when your supposedly leadership tells him not to play his type of game anymore. The type of game which he excelled at for his 1st 4 years in a league and got him a $7mil/season + contract.
But lets be honest. This group has been soft as kitten pillow toilet paper for years now. When everyone else tells you to back off and conform, why wouldn't Tkachuk's play fall off a cliff?
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As long as we look at Zadorov for what he is and don't expect him to be something he isn't, I think we've got ourselves a real fan favourite. He's big, he hits *HARD*, and he suppresses scoring chances quite well in the defensive zone. He's not a transition defenceman, and he's certainly not an offensive machine...but just look at these hits:
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"• You were saying that Nichushkin is the most superstitious player you know.
o Yes, Valeri is.
• What sort of superstitions does he have?
o First of all he believes in god"
That is amazingly funny.
This guy is effing Ville Niemenen.
I'll be anxiously waiting for him to play some Hospital Hockey this year!
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