Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[Dienasty]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Karlsson in his late 20s with 1 year left until UFA I don't think is a comparable at all. Seguin is probably the best recent comparable but he hadn't quite broken out yet when traded. That is one of the worst trades in league history though so don't think I'd look at that deal for comparable compensation.

I think the Thornton trade is similar in situation, young captain that wants out.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/causewa...-15-years/amp/

I think the situation differs due to health, contract, and eichel being a couple years younger at the time. Also didn't seem like Boston wanted to tear it down so the stuart sturm return isn't what buffalo is asking for.

On a personal level i think buffalo is stupid to want nothing but futures. They tried that already and it got them here.. nylander, reinhart, middlestadt ristolainen etc didn't turn out. Now they have dahlin, powers, cozens, do they want to develop these guys in a losing culture too? Seems similar to Edmonton going from the cogliano, gagner rebuild, to the eberle, parjarvi, hall rebuild. These players still need to develop playing in competitive games.

I'm sure cozens is going to have a blast playing with skinner and okposo for the next couple of years...

[direwolf]

I feel like the fans are gonna freak out no matter which way this ends.

We get him, but it's very likely we'll have to sell the farm to do so = CP explodes and the pitchforks come out.

We don't get him = CP explodes and the pitchforks come out.

Vegas or Anaheim gets him = CP explodes and the pitchforks come out.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by direwolf

I feel like the fans are gonna freak out no matter which way this ends.

We get him, but it's very likely we'll have to sell the farm to do so = CP explodes and the pitchforks come out.

We don't get him = CP explodes and the pitchforks come out.

Vegas or Anaheim gets him = CP explodes and the pitchforks come out.

Aren't your second and third scenarios the same thing?

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Aren't your second and third scenarios the same thing?

Basically yeah, but I anticipate the rage will be extra spicy if it's either of those two teams...especially Vegas.

[FBI]

I actually don’t think we’ll see many pitchforks out if we get him. Probably only 2-3 posters here.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by direwolf

I feel like the fans are gonna freak out no matter which way this ends.

We get him, but it's very likely we'll have to sell the farm to do so = CP explodes and the pitchforks come out.

We don't get him = CP explodes and the pitchforks come out.

Vegas or Anaheim gets him = CP explodes and the pitchforks come out.

Jack Eichel is not the be all end all….. getting Eichel and giving up Tkachuk, Mangiapane, Monahan, Valimaki, Dube and futures in combination makes us a weaker. So then Eichel buoys the team to mediocrity because we have no supporting cast and nothing coming up to support in the next few years.

Sounds like a different path to the same destination…. Eichel has to be acquired at the right price or Tre should walk.

[Heavy Jack]

Still would like to see a poll to get an idea for where the board sits

Would you trade for Eichel?

- Yes (I would overpay even)
- Yes (But only if the price is right, no otherwise)
- No

Mods?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by 868904

Could Eichel just get the surgery he wants? What can Buffalo do? Void the contract?

How about Buffalo sue Eichel for breach of contract and it cost him every cent he's earned, and every cent he could potentially earn? No way do the Sabres allow a player that is their most valuable asset to skate on the terms of his contract. Eichel would then be starting a war with the Sabres, and as a result of the potential for this to be come a bigger issue, every franchise in the NHL.

This could blossom into something much much larger. Right now the NHLPA is clearly staying on the sidelines as this could threaten the NHL teams from having to be concerned about player health or safety and then not have any responsibility in providing insurance for the players. If you're telling the team to go #### themselves in regards to managing player health, the natural progression is to pass that responsibility off to the players all together, along with associated costs. That is a massive CBA issue, and could put the CBA at risk. This is no small issue.

If Buffalo voids it, doesn't that make Eichel a UFA? Does Eichel get a similar contract in the open market? He's got 5 years left at $10 million per. Could he get that on the open market as a UFA if Buffalo voids the contract?

Why would Buffalo void the contract? They only hurt themselves.

It would be a be a big F you to Buffalo, they'd lose a lot of assets but they also clear $10 million in cap hit for a long time.

Again, why would Buffalo do this? They are better off waiting it out and putting the squeeze on Eichel. Suspend him, save the money, and wait for him to crack. It's not like the Sabres are any good with him in the line up. What's their loss?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Did Vegas get Eichel yet?

They can't. They are way too far over the cap.

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[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Jack Eichel is not the be all end all….. getting Eichel and giving up Tkachuk, Mangiapane, Monahan, Valimaki, Dube and futures in combination makes us a weaker. So then Eichel buoys the team to mediocrity because we have no supporting cast and nothing coming up to support in the next few years.

Sounds like a different path to the same destination…. Eichel has to be acquired at the right price or Tre should walk.

So the trade would have to be Tkachuk + Mangiapane + Monahan + Valimaki + Dube and a combination of futures? Of course that would make us weaker… but Monahan + Dube + Valimaki + 1st for Eichel arguably would make us stronger once Eichel was healthy no? You have to give to get in this league and no matter which way you slice it Eichel is better than every player you’ve mentioned above and there is no way it would take ALL of those players to land him. I think the longer this goes the better it ends up being for the team that ultimately trades for him and I’m hoping the Flames finally go all in rather than playing safe until they can no longer ante in.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

So the trade would have to be Tkachuk + Mangiapane + Monahan + Valimaki + Dube and a combination of futures? Of course that would make us weaker… but Monahan + Dube + Valimaki + 1st for Eichel arguably would make us stronger once Eichel was healthy no? You have to give to get in this league and no matter which way you slice it Eichel is better than every player you’ve mentioned above and there is no way it would take ALL of those players to land him. I think the longer this goes the better it ends up being for the team that ultimately trades for him and I’m hoping the Flames finally go all in rather than playing safe until they can no longer ante in.

I never meant all of them, I meant a combination of the mix as what you proposed. Not sure overall we are stronger with the assets going the other way as you propose, but I understand you have to give up assets. I would be more in line with giving Buffalo multiple firsts instead of roster players,

Zary/Pelletier, 2022 1st, 2023 1st

Then we could move Monahan for areas we require support or other prospects.

I am not on the Eichel train, don’t think he is the same player on the other side of this surgery.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Zary/Pelletier, 2022 1st, 2023 1st

Then we could move Monahan for areas we require support or other prospects.

I like this proposal and if this goes down I hope this is what gets it done. With the deplorable goaltending situation in Buffalo this year I would even hope you could swap out Zary or Pelletier with Wolf.

[devo22]

I don't see how moving a package with Monahan, Dube and futures erodes our depth.

Gaudreau - Eichel - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Lindholm - Coleman
Lucic - Backlund - Pitlick
Lewis - Gawdin/Ruzicka - Ritchie

Hanifin - Tanev
Zadorov - Andersson
Valimaki - Mackey/Kylington/Welinski

Markstrom - Vladar

we'd also still have cap space to add another defenseman. Looks decent to me.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by devo22

I don't see how moving a package with Monahan, Dube and futures erodes our depth.

Gaudreau - Eichel - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Lindholm - Coleman
Lucic - Backlund - Pitlick
Lewis - Gawdin/Ruzicka - Ritchie

Hanifin - Tanev
Zadorov - Andersson
Valimaki - Mackey/Kylington/Welinski

Markstrom - Vladar

we'd also still have cap space to add another defenseman. Looks decent to me.

It’s not awful, but not great. Just think there is a better way to manage the assets.

[Roof-Daddy]

I don't know how anyone can look at that line up and say it "is not awful, but not great".

That forward group is absolutely outstanding. The D might be a little sketchy I suppose.

Each to their own I guess.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

I like this proposal and if this goes down I hope this is what gets it done. With the deplorable goaltending situation in Buffalo this year I would even hope you could swap out Zary or Pelletier with Wolf.

I don't think Wolf does anything at all to help Buffalo with their goaltending depth this year. He has played a grand total of three professional games, and none in the NHL. If the Sabres want to shore up goaltending right away they are more likely to want Vlader or Werner.

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[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

How about Buffalo sue Eichel for breach of contract and it cost him every cent he's earned, and every cent he could potentially earn? No way do the Sabres allow a player that is their most valuable asset to skate on the terms of his contract. Eichel would then be starting a war with the Sabres, and as a result of the potential for this to be come a bigger issue, every franchise in the NHL.

And the NFL, MLB and NBA would be sitting beside the league in court as they did when Balsillie tried move both Nashville and Phoenix. A second opinion is fine but then they need to coordinate with the team to get it done to the teams approval.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I don't know how anyone can look at that line up and say it "is not awful, but not great".

That forward group is absolutely outstanding. The D might be a little sketchy I suppose.

Each to their own I guess.

It’s a much better line up with Dube on the third line and moving Pitlick or Lucic to the 4th and using a Monahan trade to get a solid dman and/or prospects. Hence why I said if we are going after Eichel we are clearly going for it so use future draft capital in lieu of roster players.

Dube does not get enough credit here. I think he will break out this year and be an excellent player. Picks are magic beans…… you think a 1st in the 20-32 range will be better than Dube or Valimaki? Doubt it.

You have to keep the prospect pipeline going but if we are actually making a move to go for it than let’s actually go for it.

[Robbob]

I would love to know what the Flames doctors are thinking around this.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

How about Buffalo sue Eichel for breach of contract and it cost him every cent he's earned, and every cent he could potentially earn? No way do the Sabres allow a player that is their most valuable asset to skate on the terms of his contract. Eichel would then be starting a war with the Sabres, and as a result of the potential for this to be come a bigger issue, every franchise in the NHL.

That’s not how damages for breach of contract works.