[News] Jack Eichel Vs. The Buffalo Sabres

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I think what’s about to happen is the Sabres will come down and there will be several teams entering, or re-entering, the mix. The Sabres will (should) create an auction like environment.

If I’m the Flames it’s:

Monahan
And one of
Mangiapane/Dube
And one of
1st/Zary/Pel/Coronato

Add picks (2nd 3rd rounders) if required.

Mangiapane and Dube are not interchangeable. One is already a top six NHLer who hasn't even hit his prime yet, and the other is currently a 3rd line prospect who will hopefully evolve into a top six player.

Monahan, Dube plus first round picks/prospects is a fair deal. Monahan, Mangiapane plus the same is a massive over payment.

[devo22]

Monahan + Dube + Zary + 2022 1st + 2023 3rd is probably in the right ballpark. Gives them a 26 year old top 6 center who should rebound after getting healthy, a young promising two way forward with upside, a 1st round talent and two more good picks. Could possibly send Pelletier or Valimaki instead of Zary and maybe tweak a couple of details, but overall I think that's a solid enough package for Buffalo to be interested.

would do it in a heartbeat too. Wouldn't totally erode our prospect pool and the extra 2nd next year would lessen the sting of losing those picks a bit.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Would put him about 2 hours from home and we have to have salary going out to bring in Eichel; plus has played in the top Center role and would be a go to guy through the rebuild for them.

He has 2 years left until UFA and his best chance at a payday... I cant see wanting to go there to maximize his Value, ask Taylor Hall how that worked for him ( and tgat was with a better supporting cast). Not to mention its a guaranteed bottom feeder.

I guess if you want to be close to home on one of the 2 worst rosters in the league in your 2 years before UFA.

[Buff]

My wife is a Physiotherapist. She has treated people who have had disc replacement and the younger you are the better your recovery will be.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

He has 2 years left until UFA and his best chance at a payday... I cant see wanting to go there to maximize his Value, ask Taylor Hall how that worked for him ( and tgat was with a better supporting cast). Not to mention its a guaranteed bottom feeder.



I guess if you want to be close to home on one of the 2 worst rosters in the league in your 2 years before UFA.

We just don't know what Monahan would want. I think it is totally plausible that he would be fine with going to play in Buffalo.

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[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

He has 2 years left until UFA and his best chance at a payday... I cant see wanting to go there to maximize his Value, ask Taylor Hall how that worked for him ( and tgat was with a better supporting cast). Not to mention its a guaranteed bottom feeder.

I guess if you want to be close to home on one of the 2 worst rosters in the league in your 2 years before UFA.

As some one had mentioned as well whats from stopping Buffalo from flipping him for further assets down the road at a trade deadline? A fresh start even on a bad team could be a good thing for a soon to be UFA and he’d be anchoring a top line spot again with their best young players flanking him as opposed to being surpassed by players in Calgary and playing down the lineup. One could argue that a bigger role on a lesser team might be better for him when getting a UFA deal and honestly no matter what way you slice it Monahan is a top 6 Center and will command a sizeable contract come UFA if he goes to the market as we always see on July 1st with players.

Hall also decided to take less on this UFA, he could have got much more had he not stayed with Boston and I don’t really think that’s debatable.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Mangiapane and Dube are not interchangeable. One is already a top six NHLer who hasn't even hit his prime yet, and the other is currently a 3rd line prospect who will hopefully evolve into a top six player.

Monahan, Dube plus first round picks/prospects is a fair deal. Monahan, Mangiapane plus the same is a massive over payment.

I would agree, they not interchangeable at the moment.

I would assume it’s up to who the Sabres prefer. There’s reason to be excited about both and it would depend on who they think has the higher upside and fits the profile they would target. Mangiapane is the better player, right now. But is he a lock to be so in 2-3 years when Buffalo is hitting their stride (they hope)?

I think most Flames fans love Mangiapane because he was a 6th round pick and essentially found money. He has established himself as a top 6 LW but his contract situation is a little more difficult to manage, I would think. Mang is also two years older and closer to his ‘payday’ contract.

I think either are plausible, and I would part with either to get Eichel.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Mangiapane and Dube are not interchangeable. One is already a top six NHLer who hasn't even hit his prime yet, and the other is currently a 3rd line prospect who will hopefully evolve into a top six player.

Monahan, Dube plus first round picks/prospects is a fair deal. Monahan, Mangiapane plus the same is a massive over payment.

If an overpayment is required, then overpay.

What would have been too much to acquire Nathan MacKinnon?

6, 22, 28 overall, Sven coming off 2 PPG in the WHL, Backlund.

What would have been too much to acquire Joe Thornton?

Kobasew, Dion, 1st.

Seems a pittance.

If someone outbids us, fine. But make them have to cripple themselves to beat our offer.

Especially when the choice is overpay or let him go to Division rival Vegas, and watch them become even more insufferable when they win a cup in their first six years of existence because they had the balls to try, and not just say they were trying.

[Heavy Jack]

Mods I really think a poll needs to be created here as this marches on; we can keep it a simple yes/no or could also add to the poll a couple different offers based on what’s been seen in the thread. It’d be really interesting to see how much of the fan base is willing to mortgage the future to land an elite player into this lineup and how much want to stand Pat.

Thoughts on what the poll questions should be CP?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Mods I really think a poll needs to be created here as this marches on; we can keep it a simple yes/no or could also add to the poll a couple different offers based on what’s been seen in the thread. It’d be really interesting to see how much of the fan base is willing to mortgage the future to land an elite player into this lineup and how much want to stand Pat.

Thoughts on what the poll questions should be CP?

Should the Flames overpay to ensure they get Jack Eichel

[Coach]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Should the Flames overpay to ensure they get Jack Eichel

I think maybe “are the rumoured deals worth making?” Might be better. People can simply say “well I wouldn’t pay 4 1sts.”

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Should the Flames overpay to ensure they get Jack Eichel

Absolutely, just keep adding draft picks if you can leave our top core players alone. Go for it and figure out the rest later.

[dino7c]

Go look at the last 40 years of Flames drafts...yes they should trade whatever it takes to get Eichel. Calculated risk.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Coach

I think maybe “are the rumoured deals worth making?” Might be better. People can simply say “well I wouldn’t pay 4 1sts.”

Whatever shape an overpayment takes - if everyone’s offering four 1sts, offer 5.

Did you know the Pittsburgh Penguins drafted exactly two players in the 1st round after Sidney Crosby who helped them win Stanley Cups on the ice?

Jordan Staal and Olli Maatta.

Everyone else was either traded for someone to help them, or traded as 1st round picks.

Nobody became anything special. The best player after Maatta is Kasperi Kapanen.

Draft picks are for losers.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Whatever shape an overpayment takes - if everyone’s offering four 1sts, offer 5.

Did you know the Pittsburgh Penguins drafted exactly two players in the 1st round after Sidney Crosby who helped them win Stanley Cups on the ice?

Jordan Staal and Olli Maatta.

Everyone else was either traded for someone to help them, or traded as 1st round picks.

Nobody became anything special. The best player after Maatta is Kasperi Kapanen.

Draft picks are for losers.

Fair it’s a more black and white question that way I suppose. I guess I just think the word overpay automatically triggers people. You yourself obviously wouldn’t see the deal as an “overpay”. Maybe “should they outbid any other offer to acquire Eichel?”

I dunno. Probably overthinking it haha.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Mods I really think a poll needs to be created here as this marches on; we can keep it a simple yes/no or could also add to the poll a couple different offers based on what’s been seen in the thread. It’d be really interesting to see how much of the fan base is willing to mortgage the future to land an elite player into this lineup and how much want to stand Pat.

Thoughts on what the poll questions should be CP?

As crazy as it sounds, now that Nick Ritchie is gone, I want the Flames to get Eichel.

To me there were 4 options:

1) Supplement the existing core - on track for this with Coleman addition and depth acquisitions;

2) Shake up the core - Move out one of the core and replace with Eichel. High Risk, but potential high reward. Eichel can either help us take the next step or drive us quicker into a rebuild if his health is not good.

3) Go all Sutter - Have a ridiculously tough team not seen since the Broadstreet Bullies by adding Nick Ritchie and the other truculent additions already made.

4) Full on rebuild - sell all core assets and tank for Wright/Bedard.


Option 3 is now off the board. I'm kind of sick of Option 1 which is what they've been doing, although I consider Coleman a significantly better addition than Neal or Brouwer (but time will tell).

Option 2 is what I want because of the high reward but also it gets us closer to Option 4 if it fails. So you actually get two options.

[Heavy Jack]

I was purposely avoiding watching that video of Eichel highlights so as not to get my hopes up… I’ve watched the first 2 1/2 minutes and will be severely disappointed if Treliving doesn’t trade for him.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I was purposely avoiding watching that video of Eichel highlights so as not to get my hopes up… I’ve watched the first 2 1/2 minutes and will be severely disappointed if Treliving doesn’t trade for him.

I was in the same boat until a few minutes ago.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Buff

My wife is a Physiotherapist. She has treated people who have had disc replacement and the younger you are the better your recovery will be.

Not to mention he is going to be injecting growth hormone right into his neck.

[moncton golden flames]

You should all listen to 31 Thoughts Podcast from today where the Doctor that Eichel is talking to goes deep on the Disc Replacement scenario. It's got me feeling pretty ok with acquiring him and letting him choose his surgery.

https://podcast.sportsnet.ca/31-thou...c-replacement/