[News] Jack Eichel Vs. The Buffalo Sabres

[Mattman]

If we see a trade happen I am going to guess there will be conditions to the 1st round pick along the lines of:
If Eichel plays more than X number of games then X happens to the pick.

It does seem risky on the trade front and so does the surgery. However, at the end of the day I hope Jack Eichel is at peace with his decision, and returns to play hockey.

I would have alot of respect for Tre and the Flames if they brought him in, gave him the time to heal and return whenever he is ready. Treat him like gold and hope for the best.

You got this Brad!

[Your Calgary Flames!]

Originally Posted by Slava

I guess since there is no trade to talk about, I’ll chime in. It sounds like a return to activity too soon. I had a lumbar fusion about 4 years ago. I wasn’t able to do much ahead of that, due to the spinal issue, but I didn’t do much of anything for a full year after. No bending, lifting or twisting. My wife would joke that I should make a shirt that said “I’m not lazy, I had a surgery” because she carried everything. It was sort of glorious, now that I think about it.

But in my case it’s been a remarkable improvement. I can do everything that I could before, and have no issues. (Truthfully, what I accept as no issues is some back pain and things like that, but I’m also an aging fellow who played contact sports and I feel that this comes with the territory).

I’ll just add that there was a place in Germany that does the disc replacement. I debated that also, because the mobility is better. In my case I was not a candidate, flat out. I’m not a doctor, and have no idea if Eichel would be, but for me it was a non-starter.

Either way, I don’t think that this issue should scare the Flames away. I know a full recovery can be had and I guarantee you that Eichel is both in better physical condition than I was, and will receive top notch care.

I would agree it was probably too soon. A lot of factors at play for the average person and how they take care of themselves in the healing process.

Getting back on topic with Eichel. I’m no doctor either but my concern is how it will hold up in the NHL. Getting those sticks up high in that area, getting hit with the torque on the neck etc.

[Nelson]

I listened to that 31 Thoughts podcast. Jack Eichel should get the artificial disk surgery, and the Flames should acquire Jack Eichel.

[jmac98]

Originally Posted by Slava

I guess since there is no trade to talk about, I’ll chime in. It sounds like a return to activity too soon. I had a lumbar fusion about 4 years ago. I wasn’t able to do much ahead of that, due to the spinal issue, but I didn’t do much of anything for a full year after. No bending, lifting or twisting. My wife would joke that I should make a shirt that said “I’m not lazy, I had a surgery” because she carried everything. It was sort of glorious, now that I think about it.

But in my case it’s been a remarkable improvement. I can do everything that I could before, and have no issues. (Truthfully, what I accept as no issues is some back pain and things like that, but I’m also an aging fellow who played contact sports and I feel that this comes with the territory).

I’ll just add that there was a place in Germany that does the disc replacement. I debated that also, because the mobility is better. In my case I was not a candidate, flat out. I’m not a doctor, and have no idea if Eichel would be, but for me it was a non-starter.

Either way, I don’t think that this issue should scare the Flames away. I know a full recovery can be had and I guarantee you that Eichel is both in better physical condition than I was, and will receive top notch care.

Hello Slava (and all),

I’ve not logged into these forums in quite a while, although I do read this site for news and musings. In reading this thread, I thought I’d jump in and just add a little information to maybe help with perspective.

I am now 43, and at 36 I had a ‘hybrid’ surgery, which actually covered both (lower) disc replacement (x2) and fusing the L5/S1 (I believe those are the 2, going by memory).

As in your case (Slava), I was unable to do anything afterwards for quite some time. In my situation I was bedridden for 14 weeks wherein I would get up 3x a day (breakfast lunch dinner) and simply sit up. Within that same 14 weeks I graduated to small walks around the house and eventually up/down my block during those same 3x arrangements to get up. By the end of that full timeframe I was able to walk around, however, not permitted to lift more than 5lbs and like yourself, unable to bend, lift, twist (etc). In my situation I could not resume any activity for 2 calendar years.

I too feel remarkably better than prior to surgery, yet my standards reflect similarly to yours in that I do have plenty of back pain although it pales in comparison to my scenario prior.

The doctor performing had told me that he treated a patient prior to myself who actually went back to rodeo bull riding. Interestingly enough though, the ‘pain’ doctor assigned to me for after care, physio, and ongoing (and to whom I still see periodically) suggested to stay clear from activity directly involving the core. No contact sports, no direct stress to the lower back in the gym, no long term distance running, etc.

I now also have limited movement. It’s certainly enough to fulfill my lifestyle, but it was noted that there will be limitations to range and flexibility. I’m not sure if it’s mind over matter, but 3 years after surgery I went back to playing softball and did find bending for ground balls was a different experience. Similarly, swinging a golf club felt different.

This was just my experience and (loosely) the information and directives as given to me for my own situation. How this equates to something ‘x’ amount of years later with further advances and with it being more towards the neck vs lower spine, I’m afraid I can’t really offer comparatives or suggestions. But I just wanted to add the information on my recovery, albeit a hybrid scenario and on the lower lumbar so slightly different than the surgery as being discussed otherwise.

Hopefully this information helped contribute to the conversation.

All the best everyone.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

https://twitter.com/user/status/1421451518004416518

If anyone has questions about the surgeries on the table, listen to this podcast.

Listening to this podcast, I could not think any less of the Buffalo Sabres. I hope Jack is traded today. I despise the risk analysis being done by the Sabres in this situation.

interesting (~32 min mark)
Fusion takes 3 months before return (did not elaborate, if this is return to training or return to play)
Disc replacement - 6 weeks to return with no contact, but 8-12 weeks for return to contact and top performance

either way, looking at ~3 months or more after surgery

[Reggie Dunlop]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1421305417079087107

[Heavy Jack]

Hahahahahahahahaha

[VladtheImpaler]

BTW, the surgeon specifically said in the interview that lumbar (vs cervical) is an irrelevant comparison, as the lumbar disks are weight bearing, whereas cervical are more about motion. So, apples and oranges as far as what is best and recovery time.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by devo22

just get it done please. I'd rather swing for the fences and miss than being mired in mediocrity forever.

Isn't that what people said here about Brad Richards too? Nothing wrong the sober second thought.

[Heavy Jack]

Monahan + Dube + Zary + Kylington + 1st

Even throw in Kylington to make it as asset rich as possible; still don’t see how that doesn’t peak the interest of the Sabres.

Gaudreau - Eichel - Coleman
Mangiapane - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Pelletier - Backlund - Pitlick
Lucic - Lewis - Ritchie

Drool worthy forward group with lots of give a #### meter mixed through out! Go out afterwards and sign Chara to round out the D? Add maybe one more depth FWD too and then sit back and enjoy!

Hanifin - Tanev
Zadarov - Andersson
Chara - Valimaki
Kinvall/Mackey

Markstrom
Darth

Please Treliving get this done… I don’t think I’ve wanted a trade to happen more than this one… the pissy comments from the Oilers fans alone would be worth it

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

Isn't that what people said here about Brad Richards too? Nothing wrong the sober second thought.

Richards was a 31 year old UFA though ... Eichel is still only 24. Big difference.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Give them whatever they want other than the 2022 and 2023 1st

I’ll bet you will be mistaken if you think the Flames will be able to pull this off without including first round pick(s). I would also bet any picks will not be lottery protected.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I’ll bet you will be mistaken if you think the Flames will be able to pull this off without including first round pick(s). I would also bet any picks will not be lottery prospected.

Wont need to be, they'll be practically 2nd rounders once we get Jack.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Monahan + Dube + Zary + Kylington + 1st

Even throw in Kylington to make it as asset rich as possible; still don’t see how that doesn’t peak the interest of the Sabres.

Gaudreau - Eichel - Coleman
Mangiapane - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Pelletier - Backlund - Pitlick
Lucic - Lewis - Ritchie

Drool worthy forward group with lots of give a #### meter mixed through out! Go out afterwards and sign Chara to round out the D? Add maybe one more depth FWD too and then sit back and enjoy!

Hanifin - Tanev
Zadarov - Andersson
Chara - Valimaki
Kinvall/Mackey

Markstrom
Darth

Please Treliving get this done… I don’t think I’ve wanted a trade to happen more than this one… the pissy comments from the Oilers fans alone would be worth it

I suspect the deal would be done if the Flames were willing to part with that package.

The reason why Eichel hasn’t been moved yet is because no team is willing to pay the apparent ask of the Sabres, 4 1st round equivalent assets. Your offering that and then some.

[TOfan]

I think what’s about to happen is the Sabres will come down and there will be several teams entering, or re-entering, the mix. The Sabres will (should) create an auction like environment.

If I’m the Flames it’s:

Monahan
And one of
Mangiapane/Dube
And one of
1st/Zary/Pel/Coronato

Add picks (2nd 3rd rounders) if required.

[Gaskal]

Wouldn't Monahan have Buffalo on his 10 team NTC? Would he waive?

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Wouldn't Monahan have Buffalo on his 10 team NTC? Would he waive?

Close to home so maybe.



Plus maybe he feels if he's not The Man anymore at 1C, he'll want to leave.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Wouldn't Monahan have Buffalo on his 10 team NTC? Would he waive?

Buffalo definitely on the No trade. Not sure how anyone has him as otherwise in their proposal.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Wouldn't Monahan have Buffalo on his 10 team NTC? Would he waive?

He could be sold on it, perhaps.

Other thing is Buffalo could flip him to another team who had interest in Eichel. Boston and Vegas could use him.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Buffalo definitely on the No trade. Not sure how anyone has him as otherwise in their proposal.

Would put him about 2 hours from home and we have to have salary going out to bring in Eichel; plus has played in the top Center role and would be a go to guy through the rebuild for them.