Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

It's a 5 team trade list. He lists the only 5 teams he can be traded to without a waiver. Not sure when he has to create the list.

Ain’t that some s***.

[dammage79]

Call it a 27 team no trade list lol. Kind of hammers it home lol.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Production over the last 2 years, and UFA deals signed over the last 3 days:

Jaden Schwartz
111GP 30G 48A 78PTS .70PTS/GP
5yrs @ $5.5M

Taylor Hall
118GP 26G 59A 85PTS .72PTS/GP
4yrs @ $6.0M

Mike Hoffman
121GP 46G 49A 95PTS .79PTS/GP
3yrs @ $4.5M

Gabriel Landeskog
108GP 41G 55A 96PTS .89PTS/GP
8yrs @ $7.0M



Johnny Gaudreau
126GP 37G 70A 107PTS .85PTS/GP
?yrs @ $?M

Fair market value for Gaudreau is $6M.

Hall and Landeskog signed with good teams, so that has to be factored (ie. bad-team tax).

Originally Posted by dammage79

Call it a 27 team no trade list lol. Kind of hammers it home lol.

Technically 26...

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

And if a team as good as Vegas gets him, that could easily become the #32 pick. Even with Eichel, the Flames will not be better than Vegas. Add to that, Eichel may not even be ready to start the season. Vegas could easily weather that. If that happens to us, we could easily be a lottery team next season (considering the roster players that would be moved out for him).

With Eichel we would be better then Vegas.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Technically 26...

Johnny Gaudreau cannot be traded to the Flames!

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Johnny Gaudreau cannot be traded to the Flames!

That's good, because Treliving would overpay and gas a bunch of prospect and draft picks that we need. /snark

[Azure]

Originally Posted by neo45

Zary is the keeper

You trade Wolf for sure if you get the choice but they just got Levi

I like Zary too, but the Flames have shown the last 5+ years they can turn their 1st round picks into good prospects.

I wouldn't be worried about losing him.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Johnny Gaudreau cannot be traded to the Flames!

no kidding
but take 32 teams less the Flames is 31 teams
31 teams minus 5 is 26

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

With Eichel we would be better then Vegas.

Depends what we give up for him, how much time it takes for him to become healthy, and whether the defence can make up for the loss of Gio.

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Originally Posted by Azure

I like Zary too, but the Flames have shown the last 5+ years they can turn their 1st round picks into good prospects.

I wouldn't be worried about losing him.

Having Coronato in the system now sure helps with the idea of losing Zary or Pelletier

[stemit14]

I’ve come to terms with it working out either way with eichel. I’ll be disappointed if the flames don’t get eichel but I’ll still be excited for the start of the season either way.

On the positive side, if the flames don’t acquire eichel, I think the team will still be improved from last year - especially if Monahan is 100% healthy. And I also think the flames finally have a good cupboard of prospects (Zary, Pelletier, Coronato, Wolf) - that cupboard could be very diminished if they make the eichel trade.

Definitely want the flames to extend Gaudreau though. He’s a very rare talent and the team’s offence depends so much on him.


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[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by BEANZ

Would people consider trading Johnny as part of the Eichel package?

Personally, I think this might make the most sense. Johnny is not a Sutter type and it would significantly lower the balance of the package needed.

Johnny and a prospect or two for Eichel is easier to pallet than giving up 1st in what is going to be a draft to remember.

I think he has to part of the package, Flames need to ship out at least 10MM in salary if they acquire Eichel. Still have 3 defencemen to sign and only 12MM to do it, Sabres aren't taking any salary dump without even more being added by the Flames.
Won't require the full 12MM to sign three guys but a good portion of it.

[mile]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

I think he has to part of the package, Flames need to ship out at least 10MM in salary if they acquire Eichel. Still have 3 defencemen to sign and only 12MM to do it, Sabres aren't taking any salary dump without even more being added by the Flames.
Won't require the full 12MM to sign three guys but a good portion of it.

I don't think this is true.



Let's say Monahan (who has the lowest cap hit out of him, Tkachuk, and Gaudreau) is moved along with Valimaki, a prospect, and a pick for Eichel

Dube, Mackey, Kylington, Zadorov and depth guy like Stone are all signed to reasonable deals.



Gaudreau (6.75) - Eichel (10) - Mangiapane (2.425)
Tkachuk (7) - Lindholm (4.85) - Coleman (4.9)
Dube (2) - Backlund (5.35) - Pitlick (1.75)
Lucic (5.25) - Ruzicka (801k) - Lewis (800k)
Ritchie (900k)

Hanifin (4.95) - Andersson (4.55)
Zadorov (4) - Tanev (4.5)
Mackey (1) - Kylington (850k)
Stone (800k)

Markstrom (6)
Vladar (750k)

Total: 80.176m

A little more than 1.3 million in cap space if I did the math correctly.
If Zadorov signs for 500k higher, there's still a little breathing room.

Can't imagine Tre is doing much right now other than working on the Gaudreau extension and checking in on the trade market. RFA deals can be done after that.

[camm13]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Honestly, I would offer up either one. Whichever one they prefer. Backlund is older and has a longer contract. Plus Monahan could bounce back when healthy.


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Oh I would to if it came down to it, I just don't see him as someone Buffalo would want given is age/$$

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Azure

I like Zary too, but the Flames have shown the last 5+ years they can turn their 1st round picks into good prospects.

I wouldn't be worried about losing him.

What?

We've been near the top of drafting success in the NHL over the last 10 years.

Edit: Think I misread this the first time

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by BEANZ

Would people consider trading Johnny as part of the Eichel package?

The whole idea behind getting Eichel, is to have Gaudreau and Eichel.

So no

Personally, I think this might make the most sense. Johnny is not a Sutter type.

This does not sound like anything rooted in reality. Stop letting your imagination define the player.

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

I think he has to part of the package, Flames need to ship out at least 10MM in salary if they acquire Eichel. Still have 3 defencemen to sign and only 12MM to do it, Sabres aren't taking any salary dump without even more being added by the Flames.
Won't require the full 12MM to sign three guys but a good portion of it.

There's absolutely 0 chance Johnny accepts a trade to a terrible Buffalo team for the last year of his contract.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Production over the last 2 years, and UFA deals signed over the last 3 days:

Jaden Schwartz
111GP 30G 48A 78PTS .70PTS/GP
5yrs @ $5.5M

Taylor Hall
118GP 26G 59A 85PTS .72PTS/GP
4yrs @ $6.0M

Mike Hoffman
121GP 46G 49A 95PTS .79PTS/GP
3yrs @ $4.5M

Gabriel Landeskog
108GP 41G 55A 96PTS .89PTS/GP
8yrs @ $7.0M



Johnny Gaudreau
126GP 37G 70A 107PTS .85PTS/GP
?yrs @ $?M

Fair market value for Gaudreau is $6M.

I said when the Landeskog deal was announced that it was a perfect contract to extend Johnny to.

8 years x $7,000,000 per

Man I hope it gets done ASAP.

[Macho0978]

I personally would love to see the Flames do a bit of a retool or rebuild but it’s clear they don’t want to. The trend this year seems to be dish out term for better cap hit. IMO the Flames should keep doing this then go full on Buffalo or Arizona in 5 years if guys fall off a cliff but maximize any chances of winning now by getting the best AAV possible.

They already somewhat did this with Coleman

I think Johnny would ask for about 50 mil total.

8 years at 6.25 mil is $50 mil. This contract will hurt someday but if you never take a risk or never rebuild it’s the only way I see this team winning now

Save 500k on his current cap changes the look on this teams cap for the next 5 years. Similar to Coleman and markstrom we probably going to be hurting then anyways so why not keep it going?

If we pay for Eichel get Johnny on reduced cap and go all in for 5 years this team would look good Eichel in monahan out.

Monahan dube valimaki and a first. If it needs to be mangiapane then I’d still do it as we could use his money to get someone else.

What happens with Tkachuk also needs to be sorted out soon too

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

8 years at 6.25 mil is $50 mil. This contract will hurt someday but if you never take a risk or never rebuild it’s the only way I see this team winning now

I don't think you're taking into consideration the small market Canadian team tax. 8 years $60M feels more accurate. 8@$7.5M.