Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Why? Worst case scenario - you force your rival to lock up $70M ($10M AAV). Cap space is also a competition.

Competitions usually aren't won by blowing your brains out. What offer sheet worked out well for the signing team in the past?

[Enoch Root]

yes, except you kept all your players, so presumably - hopefully - the picks are late 1st rounders

[VladtheImpaler]

If we are going to get crazy, I would rather O/S Petterson than trade for Eichel. Less injury risk, less cost, less PITA factor, more Swedish, less $$$.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

The trade offers for Eichel have been Tkachuk + 1st + Zary/Pelletier

In this scenario with offer-sheeting Pettersson,

you retain (Tkachuk) - worth 2 1sts
and Pelletier/Zary - worth 1 1st.

So the cost in terms of 1st round picks ends up being the same.

This is some upside-down logic though.

Prospects taken in the first round aren't automatically 'worth' a first round pick, unless it's a top 5-10 guy. You couldn't trade Zary or Pelletier for a first round pick right now.

[GhostCookie]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

yes, except you kept all your players, so presumably - hopefully - the picks are late 1st rounders

Which would pan out well if we can make them first rounders. But if it doesn't, it sure will sting watching your first round pick go to someone else for four straight years.

I just don't know if we are just a Petterson away from making those picks particularly late in the draft.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

This is some upside-down logic though.

Prospects taken in the first round aren't automatically 'worth' a first round pick, unless it's a top 5-10 guy. You couldn't trade Zary or Pelletier for a first round pick right now.

Obviously players trend to or down after the draft. Both of these guys have trended up and are easily worth a first. You just don't see these trades because why would you trade a former first rounder that is trending up after 1-2 years of player development for a first and need to start anew. Bizarre statement imo.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

If we are going to get crazy, I would rather O/S Petterson than trade for Eichel. Less injury risk, less cost, less PITA factor, more Swedish, less $$$.

Why do people keep saying this when Pettersson is hurt all the time? In his first three seasons Jack Eichel missed a total of 38 games. Pettersson has aready missed 55.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Why do people keep saying this when Pettersson is hurt all the time? In his first three seasons Jack Eichel missed a total of 38 games. Pettersson has aready missed 55.

Eichel has a specific very serious injury. Petterson is just "fragile", like Backlund was once "fragile".

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Why do people keep saying this when Pettersson is hurt all the time? In his first three seasons Jack Eichel missed a total of 38 games.

So? If you trade for Eichel, you are not getting his first three seasons.

[sa226]

Is there any sense that Eichel will even play next year? Is it an elective surgery?

It seems weird that he's a trade target yet, if he requires surgery, what's the hold up?

I don't understand his health situation.

I don't know how a team can gut their roster for a player that may not even play for them, for a year.

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[442scotty]

Mods we need a poll on trading for Eichel if only to see how many people are on the crazy train.

[Toonage]

^^ Best I can tell:

Not elective surgery, he needs it, but the dispute is over which method is taken to correct the problem. If he takes the traditional route he is done for the year. The alternate method? Unknown.

The hold up is likely that Buffalo is asking a king's ransom and has been hesitant to provide medical details.

A team that is already a cup contender and has the assets to provide Buffalo what they are asking without creating craters on their roster would be the ideal partner. Not sure that exists.

[_Q_]

I feel like all of these are about to happen:

Eichel gets traded to another team for a package that is slightly underwhelming. Treliving passes because he's too in love with one of the key pieces Buffalo was asking for (Zary, Valimaki, or Pelletier). Eichel goes on to fully recover from his surgery and lights up the league the following season, playing with competent line-mates.

Gaudreau extension doesn't happen in the next 24 hours. Gaudreau walks at the end of the season.

Tkahuck extension also doesn't materialize and he holds out for most of the following season.

But at least we can keep our 1st round pick and draft another Monahan or Valimaki at 14th overall.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by _Q_

I feel like all of these are about to happen:

Eichel gets traded to another team for a package that is slightly underwhelming. Treliving passes because he's too in love with one of the key pieces Buffalo was asking for (Zary, Valimaki, or Pelletier). Eichel goes on to fully recover from his surgery and lights up the league the following season, playing with competent line-mates.

Gaudreau extension doesn't happen in the next 24 hours. Gaudreau walks at the end of the season.

Tkahuck extension also doesn't materialize and he holds out for most of the following season.

But at least we can keep our 1st round pick and draft another Monahan or Valimaki at 14th overall.

Maybe you should save yourself all the pain and just quit?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Offer sheets won’t work. Talk to Vancouver about a trade if you think there’s any hope at all they don’t match.

so force them to pay a fair price instead of them getting a bridge...win/win

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by _Q_

I feel like all of these are about to happen:

Eichel gets traded to another team for a package that is slightly underwhelming. Treliving passes because he's too in love with one of the key pieces Buffalo was asking for (Zary, Valimaki, or Pelletier). Eichel goes on to fully recover from his surgery and lights up the league the following season, playing with competent line-mates.

Gaudreau extension doesn't happen in the next 24 hours. Gaudreau walks at the end of the season.

Tkahuck extension also doesn't materialize and he holds out for most of the following season.

But at least we can keep our 1st round pick and draft another Monahan or Valimaki at 14th overall.

FFS Monahan is #2 in goal scoring from his draft...he isn't a perfect player but he is a very good one

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by _Q_

I feel like all of these are about to happen:

Eichel gets traded to another team for a package that is slightly underwhelming. Treliving passes because he's too in love with one of the key pieces Buffalo was asking for (Zary, Valimaki, or Pelletier). Eichel goes on to fully recover from his surgery and lights up the league the following season, playing with competent line-mates.

Gaudreau extension doesn't happen in the next 24 hours. Gaudreau walks at the end of the season.

Tkahuck extension also doesn't materialize and he holds out for most of the following season.

But at least we can keep our 1st round pick and draft another Monahan or Valimaki at 14th overall.

I guarantee one these two things are about to happen:

1. Eichel gets traded to another team. Board explodes with how underwhelming the package was for him and lists off similar Flames package that is slightly better that BT should have parted with, narrative that this is the type of move we need to make and missed opportunity to change the culture has passed us by because we are too attached to our assets who aren’t good.

2. OR we trade for Eichel, for the same or nearly identical package that would have been thrown around in scenario 1. Same posters who would propose the deal in scenario 1, lambaste the GM for parting with said assets on a risky venture with Eichel when we should be rebuilding.

I’m certain one of these two outcomes is imminent.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by sa226

Is there any sense that Eichel will even play next year? Is it an elective surgery?

It seems weird that he's a trade target yet, if he requires surgery, what's the hold up?

I don't understand his health situation.

I don't know how a team can gut their roster for a player that may not even play for them, for a year.

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The Brooklyn Nets did this with Kevin Durant because the following year they got to have Kevin Durant play basketball for them for another three years. And less than 24 months later, they have a super team.

This roster can be good enough to hang around 6-10th without Eichel. Maybe he makes it back in time for the playoffs.

And if you know he’s here another 4 years anyway, there’s no justification for not getting him.

It’s not like it’s more desirable to lose hockey games for three or four years hoping to get a player like this through the draft.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

What was the rumor back in the day?

Sutter wanted Thornton for Kobasew and Leopold

Boston wanted Regehr instead of Leopold

Sutter wouldn't do it

If Eichel is available and you aren't going to rebuild, pay the price FFS

If Darryl tried Leopold and they wanted Regehr, Sutter should’ve come back and offered Dion - we would’ve had Joe Thornton and Jarome Iginla together for the next decade with Daymond Langkow as the #2C.

Why did I just do that to myself.

[chedder]

So just to refresh, does Johnny's no trade clause kick in sometime tomorrow?