Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think what he means is they have no contracts to shed. I don’t think they can deal off any of those three contracts.

You're right. I just think it is funny.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by 868904

There are only two negatives to staying in Calgary for Johnny:

1) Eric Francis, but there are just as bad media out East as there are here, ask Voracek. Unless Johnny wanted to play in Arizona or Florida where no one cares.

2) Far from home. Which you can't change.

There are negatives of playing at home too. If you struggle, it can make home very difficult for the player and the family. Especially Philly.

Flames are a good organization though and I think the Gaudreau's recognize this. Flames always consider what's best for the player even if it means a bit of a disadvantage for the team. They've let many players leave who wanted a chance elsewhere. By all accounts, they treat all the families very well. Only negative I've heard is they don't give out enough paraphernalia to the players and families (according to Stajan).

For Johnny, Calgary is a very good destination because he's grown up here and it is essentially another family. Maybe it's not for a UFA who's never played here but for Johnny, it is a second home.

So I could see him staying.

3) Travel. Gaudreau absolutely hates flying. It terrifies him. And Calgary is probably in the top 5 or 6 NHL teams in hours of air travel.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

3) Travel. Gaudreau absolutely hates flying. It terrifies him. And Calgary is probably in the top 5 or 6 NHL teams in hours of air travel.

The fear is usually just on takeoffs and landings, most have the same amount of flights and the very few who don't hate the bus trips in the NY corridor

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Niemo

Screw Eichel. Offer sheet Elias Peterssen 7 years, 9.5MM and pay the 2 1st rounder, 1 2nd, 1 3rd.

That would actually cost 4 1st rounders... The AAV is calculated over a 5 year span, which results in an offer sheet AAV of $13.3M.

[FurnaceFace]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I don't think any one of us can accurately guess what "most people" would want in this situation. Everyone is different.

Agreed. I wouldn’t wait it out. The last 18 months should have taught us all you can’t predict things. I take the best deal I can get now if I want to stay and not worry about possibly getting 2-300k more a year from now when it’s just as likely it could be the opposite.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by LChoy

Not too familiar with Buffalo honestly, but I thought they tried to surround Eichel last year with good players like Hall, Oposoo, Skinner..etc
Did it just not work out?

Okposo & Skinner used to ge good, but they're garbage now. Skinner is now bottom-6 NHL level and Okposo may not even be NHL calibre anymore at all.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

That would actually cost 4 1st rounders... The AAV is calculated over a 5 year span, which results in an offer sheet AAV of $13.3M.

+ Pettersson has yet to play remotely as well as Eichel.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

+ Pettersson has yet to play remotely as well as Eichel.

I'm not sure that's true.

Pettersson's 19-20 regular season and playoffs was better than any season that Eichel's had as an NHLer IMO.

IF you could get Pettersson to sign for $9.5M for 5 or fewer seasons I would do that. 2 1sts, 2nd, 3rd is worth it for him IMO.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Niemo

Screw Eichel. Offer sheet Elias Peterssen 7 years, 9.5MM and pay the 2 1st rounder, 1 2nd, 1 3rd.

Why stop at $9.5M. Why not just go ahead and give $10M x 7. Make it worse for the Canucks. I doubt the extra $500K is a backbreaker for the Flames.

Give the man $70M and you have him from Age 22-29.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Why stop at $9.5M. Why not just go ahead and give $10M x 7. Make it worse for the Canucks. I doubt the extra $500K is a backbreaker for the Flames.

Give the man $70M and you have him from Age 22-29.

Compensation becomes 4x 1st rounders in your scenario

[getbak]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

3) Travel. Gaudreau absolutely hates flying. It terrifies him. And Calgary is probably in the top 5 or 6 NHL teams in hours of air travel.

After the schedule was released last week, I saw a tweet that showed each team's travel for next season, and the Flames are actually in the middle of the pack.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1418621488744353792


With the addition of two new teams in the far west, I believe the western teams don't have to travel quite as much as they used to, and the eastern teams have to travel a bit more, so it's not as big a difference as it used to be.


Also, I suspect with most fear-of-flying cases, it's the take-offs and landings that are the biggest problem. Once you're in the air, if it isn't too turbulent, it's probably not too bad. Assuming that "links" on the chart represents the number of individual flights the teams take, the Flames are in a 4-way tie for the 9th fewest.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

That would actually cost 4 1st rounders... The AAV is calculated over a 5 year span, which results in an offer sheet AAV of $13.3M.

Yes, because of this, the highest a 7-year offer sheet can go this year without becoming 4 first round picks is an AAV of $7,340,592.14.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Compensation becomes 4x 1st rounders in your scenario

But above - it was posted it is 4x 1st rounders as offer sheets are divided over 5 years to calculate AAV. So it is still 4x 1st rounders at $9.5M.

At this point, analyzing the asking price for Eichel. You get to keep Tkachuk. He is worth 2x 1st. Pettersson is easily worth 2x 1st. I pay the 4x 1st to offer sheet Pettersson.

[Strange Brew]

Offer sheets won’t work. Talk to Vancouver about a trade if you think there’s any hope at all they don’t match.

[InternationalVillager]

Gaudreau-Pettersson-Mangiapane
Tkachuk-Lindholm-Dube
Pelletier-Monahan-XXXXXX
Lucic-Backlund-Pitlick

Nice forward group tbh.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Offer sheets won’t work. Talk to Vancouver about a trade if you think there’s any hope at all they don’t match.

Why? Worst case scenario - you force your rival to lock up $70M ($10M AAV). Cap space is also a competition.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Why? Worst case scenario - you force your rival to lock up $70M ($10M AAV). Cap space is also a competition.

That's four 1st round draft picks...

[bdubbs]

I'd prefer Pettersson over Eichel if only to avoid the major neck surgery risk.

[Monahammer]

5 x 10.276 mil or whatever keeps us in the reasonable compensation zone while still boning Vancouver if they match. Plus I think it takes Petey right to UFA. If not you could structure it with a stupid QO poison pill or something too.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

That's four 1st round draft picks...

The trade offers for Eichel have been Tkachuk + 1st + Zary/Pelletier

In this scenario with offer-sheeting Pettersson,

you retain (Tkachuk) - worth 2 1sts
and Pelletier/Zary - worth 1 1st.

So the cost in terms of 1st round picks ends up being the same.