[Signing] Capitals re-sign Ovechkin to a 5 year/47.5 M contract extension (9.5 M AAV)

[Esoteric]

If he slows down he may lose some 5v5 effectiveness, but as long as he has his shot, he'll still be a powerplay specialist.

I really want him to get the record. Shame we had so much missed time during his career.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Antifa is Anti -Fascist in the same way that the Nazi party of Germany was a communist / socialist party.

Well....they did unite the workers of the Nation to rise up.

Not in the way that was expected, then again, Chamberlain was more than bit of an idiot.

Anyhoodles, I have no idea how an Ovechkin signing got us to Antifa and then the Nazis but whatever the hell it was I'm am through taking part.

Go Ovi Go! Get that record!

[SebC]

Wow, I figured with all the connection between him and the team they'd just go year-by-year. Was he going to sign somewhere else if they didn't give him this?

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by SebC

Wow, I figured with all the connection between him and the team they'd just go year-by-year. Was he going to sign somewhere else if they didn't give him this?

I think Ovi means more to the Caps than Iggy and Lanny mean to the Flames, and that's saying a lot.

They probably just said how long do you want to play for? No problem, we'll even top you up a little for getting us the Cup.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I think Ovi means more to the Caps than Iggy and Lanny mean to the Flames, and that's saying a lot.

They probably just said how long do you want to play for? No problem, we'll even top you up a little for getting us the Cup.

Exactly. Which was absolutely the right thing to do.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by Locke

Well....they did unite the workers of the Nation to rise up.

Not in the way that was expected, then again, Chamberlain was more than bit of an idiot.

Anyhoodles, I have no idea how an Ovechkin signing got us to Antifa and then the Nazis but whatever the hell it was I'm am through taking part.

Go Ovi Go! Get that record!

Posts ignorant response after asking about a topic, then precedes to declare the discussion over. You are a gem . Much like Ovi, but without the talent just the cocky aura

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by GhostCookie

Can I vote on not turning a thread on Ovechkin into a debate on US politics? I don't need it to be like a tense thankgiving dinner with racist uncle Ed when we are otherwise all cheering for Ovie to take break the scoring record.

Just answering a question that was posted, no need to respond if worried about a derail. Not like there's much to discuss in this thread everyone knows what Ovechkin is, what he's accomplished and what he may accomplish.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Posts ignorant response after asking about a topic, then precedes to declare the discussion over. You are a gem . Much like Ovi, but without the talent just the cocky aura

[Huntingwhale]

Unreal that if he averages 33/year, he'll break that record. God I hope he does it. Not even a Gretzky hater, but we'll likely never see someone come close to breaking this record again. As someone who has followed his career since day 1, what an awesome ride it's been to follow his career.

Imagine how close he'd be if there were no work stoppages in '04-'05, '12-13 or Covid stoppage last year. Some nerd can probably do the math as to what his career average would have been those seasons and add it to the total and see much closer he'd be be. For sure, without those 3 things going against him, he would almost certainly be a lock. Still, to only need 33/year until he retires. Just goes to show his greatness.

So glad he got a cup. That was the most fun I've had following a Cup summer ever.

[Macman]

Was the Alex Ovechkin tweet not posted? Either way they're all millionaires now!

Good for Ovechkin for doing it all without an agent and saving himself over $2M or even more.

Would be great if he broke Gretzky's goals scored record.

It's possible he could be in 3rd place overall after just this season, surpassing Marcel Dionne (731), Brett Hull (741) and Jaromir Jagr (766). Ovi currently with 730.

Would only be trailing Gordie Howe (801) and Gretzky (894).

https://twitter.com/user/status/1420066730156646409

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Imagine how close he'd be if there were no work stoppages in '04-'05, '12-13 or Covid stoppage last year. Some nerd can probably do the math

730 total goals as is
-If you assume that during the 04-05 lockout he would have scored 80% as many goals as the following season (52, his rookie year), that's another 42
-In 12-13 he scored 32 goals, which is a 55 goal pace. To be conservative, let's call it 50. That's an extra 18 goals.
-Last season before the COVID stoppage he was on pace for 58 goals, and had scored 48 in 68 games. However, he had missed a game there, and we're being conservative, so let's say he finishes with 55. That's 7 more.

... Which gets you to 797. So, about 800 goals. Gretzky probably would have had about 50 more if not for the WHA and the 94 lockout, though, so there's that.

The "what if" game really works best with Jagr.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Unreal that if he averages 33/year, he'll break that record. God I hope he does it. Not even a Gretzky hater, but we'll likely never see someone come close to breaking this record again. As someone who has followed his career since day 1, what an awesome ride it's been to follow his career.

Imagine how close he'd be if there were no work stoppages in '04-'05, '12-13 or Covid stoppage last year. Some nerd can probably do the math as to what his career average would have been those seasons and add it to the total and see much closer he'd be be. For sure, without those 3 things going against him, he would almost certainly be a lock. Still, to only need 33/year until he retires. Just goes to show his greatness.

So glad he got a cup. That was the most fun I've had following a Cup summer ever.

Quick and dirty...

He scored 52 in his rookie year, so safe to assume he scores 45 or so in what should have been his 19 year old season.

12-13 he scored 32 in 48, so was on an insane clip. Lets call it 50 goals for a regular season, so an extra 18 goals.

Covid year 24 in 45, so again easy to assume he woulda got 50. So an extra 26.

All told, 45+18+26 = 89 goals missing.

89+730 = 819 current total.

EDIT: Forgot that 19-20 was shortened season, so I'd say he's got about 7 extra goals.

819+7 = 826 current total.

[InternationalVillager]

I think Ovechkin easily beats Gretzky's record. He is going to pass that or be very close at the end of the contract. There would be no reason for him not to just play until he beats it.

[Robbob]

He doesn't need to crush it, just beat it by one just to piss off Oiler fans. Might as well make the last goal an empty netter.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Robbob

He doesn't need to crush it, just beat it by one just to piss off Oiler fans. Might as well make the last goal an empty netter.

Against the Oilers.

[lazypucker]

Just 33 goals/yr? Ovi will get it no problem. It's not like needing to get 50+ goals per year....

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Quick and dirty...

He scored 52 in his rookie year, so safe to assume he scores 45 or so in what should have been his 19 year old season.

12-13 he scored 32 in 48, so was on an insane clip. Lets call it 50 goals for a regular season, so an extra 18 goals.

Covid year 24 in 45, so again easy to assume he woulda got 50. So an extra 26.

All told, 45+18+26 = 89 goals missing.

89+730 = 819 current total.

EDIT: Forgot that 19-20 was shortened season, so I'd say he's got about 7 extra goals.

819+7 = 826 current total.

Jagr missed time too.

Gordie Howe took 2 years off, then spent 6 years in the WHA where he scored 194 goals. If he gets half that many in the NHL, he is sitting at 900.

You can do this forever, and it means nothing.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Jagr missed time too.

Gordie Howe took 2 years off, then spent 6 years in the WHA where he scored 194 goals. If he gets half that many in the NHL, he is sitting at 900.

You can do this forever, and it means nothing.

It means something because Ovi signed a deal today and we are discussing what ifs about Ovi.

[bobbylouie]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

The Oilers averaged 6.2 goals scored per game from their first season in the NHL, 1979-80, until the season Gretzky was traded to the Kings, 1987-88.

The Capitals have averaged 3.1 goals per scored since Ovechkin made his debut for them. That's literally half the goals scored per game than the Oilers with Gretzky.

Not arguing the relative merits of the players here at all, but the math you quoted there is way, WAY off.

The Oilers didn't come anywhere near scoring 6.2 goals per game in any SINGLE season, much less over the entire period. Let's not get carried away.

[MegaErtz]

Originally Posted by bobbylouie

Not arguing the relative merits of the players here at all, but the math you quoted there is way, WAY off.

The Oilers didn't come anywhere near scoring 6.2 goals per game in any SINGLE season, much less over the entire period. Let's not get carried away.

You're absolutely right, and I apologize for messing up the math. Gretzky played a season with the Oilers in the WHA before they joined the NHL in time for the start of the 1979-80 season, and was traded after the end of the 1987-88 season. In those nine seasons, the Oilers played 80 regular season games every year, for a total of 720 games. Their goal totals in the regular season were as follows:

301
328
417
424
446
401
426
372
363

I think that equals 3,478. Divide that by nine and you get 386.44 goals scored per season, and dividing that by eight gets an average goals scored of 4.83.....for nine seasons in a row!

Now with Ovechkin, he was drafted in 2004 but didn't come over until after the lockout was over. Since the start of the 2005-06 season, the Capitals have played a total of 1,239 games, including 56 this season, 69 last season, and 48 in the lockout shortened 2012-13 season. In that time, the Capitals have scored the following goals per season:

237
235
242
272
318
224
222
149
235
242
252
263
259
278
240
191

for a total of 3859. 3859 goals divided by 1239 games works out to 3.11 goals scored per game. 4.83-3.11 works out to 1.72, so I think it is fair to say that goals were much easier to come by when one team was scoring 1.72 more goals per game than the other. The Capitals only averaged 64.4% of the goals the Oilers did, and yet somehow Ovechkin is within striking range of taking over Gretzky's record from an era when most defencemen didn't know how to skate backwards.