Rumour: Blake Coleman to Calgary - Page 11 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Saqe · 07-23-2021, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames1217

Before judging the "overpayment" we need to know the number.

Coleman isn't a mediocre player either, he is a competent two way scoring winger. We need all the goal scorers we can get and adding a player who can play in your bottom 6 and still produce is crucial to winning.

I think this is exactly the move we should be making right now of the price is right. We need players who play the right way and care about winning. Coleman is that to a T.

I guess we are watching different teams. Coleman won't make a lick of difference on the Flames and certainly won't "push them over the top" if that ever was a concern. He's a guy you add to a winning team that needs depth, like Tampa did. He is also a prototypical 30ish player who's has been playing for his last big contract and will almost certainly regress after he gets it. I mean this has happened time and time again.

Jiri Hrdina · 07-23-2021, 12:58 PM

Did anyone say he would push them over the top?
What exactly do you WANT them to do?

mrdonkey · 07-23-2021, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

"Flames don't have enough talent at the top end of the roster, so they shouldn't be going out and giving out big contracts to acquire more talent at the bottom half!"

I think you left out a couple of key pieces of information there. But I guess using irrational straw man arguments works too.

dissentowner · 07-23-2021, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Did anyone say he would push them over the top?
What exactly do you WANT them to do?

It won't matter, whatever it is it will be wrong for some posters.

Reign of Fire · 07-23-2021, 01:01 PM

All these moves are good for depth, but I want to know if there is a plan to fill the giant gaping hole on the right side on the top line. Or do we see more Ritchies and Buddys filling that role again?

Pickle Juice · 07-23-2021, 01:01 PM

So what’s the verdict is this happening or is this fake news?

howard_the_duck · 07-23-2021, 01:01 PM

Really like the player, but skeptical on the source and nervous about what a potential price tag would be.

Short of more top 6 talent, I find these type of moves really awkward for where the flames are as a franchise.

Saqe · 07-23-2021, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Did anyone say he would push them over the top?
What exactly do you WANT them to do?

Rebuild? I know I don't hang around here much but I thought this would be unanimous at this point. I guess not.

Enoch Root · 07-23-2021, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I think you left out a couple of key pieces of information there. But I guess using irrational straw man arguments works too.

Like you've never done that.

To the point though, the Flames need players in several roles. Acquiring one doesn't preclude acquiring others. And adding Coleman would make the team better, that is almost without doubt.

Flames1217 · 07-23-2021, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Saqe

I guess we are watching different teams. Coleman won't make a lick of difference on the Flames and certainly won't "push them over the top" if that ever was a concern. He's a guy you add to a winning team that needs depth, like Tampa did. He is also a prototypical 30ish player who's has been playing for his last big contract and will almost certainly regress after he gets it. I mean this has happened time and time again.

There aren't many singular players who would make a huge difference to the flames.

Our depth sucks, we need to strengthen our lineup everywhere. How is a coach supposed to roll lines if he can't trust his players.

We need improvements throughout the entire lineup. I am not saying Coleman will be the saviour of the franchise but he will be a helluva better option than Dominic Simon or Leivo.

Having a deep team is a good thing and you need it to win. If we are able to get Coleman under 3.75/4 million x 4 I am a happy camper.

TheIronMaiden · 07-23-2021, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Saqe

Rebuild? I know I don't hang around here much but I thought this would be unanimous at this point. I guess not.

Yes, that is what fans on CP would like, but ownership, coaching staff, and management have indicated that this is not the direction they are taking for this up coming season.

If this frustrates you, you are going to be frustrated for a while. In the mean time I am hoping the Flames don't pick up aging vets with long contracts so they can at least be flexible while floating in the middle of the pack.

Mull · 07-23-2021, 01:08 PM

I haven't seen this tweet in this thread... feels like the TB Beat writer missed something? Yet, he retweeted it

https://twitter.com/user/status/1418570400821387265

Toonage · 07-23-2021, 01:09 PM

Doesn't Treliving usually do his draft business on day 2? Might need to wait a bit on anything Flames related

howard_the_duck · 07-23-2021, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Saqe

Rebuild? I know I don't hang around here much but I thought this would be unanimous at this point. I guess not.

A good chunk of folks agree with rebuild (at least I think), but due to ownership not being on the same page I think you see less discussion on here around it because it’s essentially all for naught.

CliffFletcher · 07-23-2021, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

All these moves are good for depth, but I want to know if there is a plan to fill the giant gaping hole on the right side on the top line. Or do we see more Ritchies and Buddys filling that role again?

Three options:

UFA. Are there any true #1 RW available? Palmieri?

Hockey trade. So which core player do you want to move out to bring in a new core player?

Futures trade. Probably sending back some combination of #12 pick, Zary, Pelletier, and a 2nd.

Hot_Flatus · 07-23-2021, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Did anyone say he would push them over the top?
What exactly do you WANT them to do?

If adding a few 3rd or 4th liners ends up being the changes we see in the forward ranks over the coming days, I think the Flames are probably in big trouble. Nobody want's Treliving trying to fix things in free agency as this hasn't been even passable since he's come aboard.

Coleman (at the right price and term) would be a good piece to add to the team, but the big thing is that unless Treliving makes some serious changes (this will require a hockey trade or combination of player/picks) to the make up of the top 5 or 6 forwards, this team is stuck in the 6-10 spot where it typically resides once again.

djsFlames · 07-23-2021, 01:51 PM

Coleman is a good pickup. In the same vein as Hyman but with more winning pedigree and likely comes cheaper. Would've been in my top 5 of this UFA pool before the rumour.

The trick is to keep the term under 5 years and the dollars under 5M, otherwise he is highly unlikely to live up to the value of the contract.

djsFlames · 07-23-2021, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Three options:

UFA. Are there any true #1 RW available? Palmieri?

Hockey trade. So which core player do you want to move out to bring in a new core player?

Futures trade. Probably sending back some combination of #12 pick, Zary, Pelletier, and a 2nd.

Palmieri's output has fallen and wouldn't be a safe bet to sign with any term.

I'd prefer to see if there is a way to get Tarasenko for a reasonable price. Strong candidate to bounce back and be that 1RW.

Jiri Hrdina · 07-23-2021, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

If adding a few 3rd or 4th liners ends up being the changes we see in the forward ranks over the coming days, I think the Flames are probably in big trouble. Nobody want's Treliving trying to fix things in free agency as this hasn't been even passable since he's come aboard.

Coleman (at the right price and term) would be a good piece to add to the team, but the big thing is that unless Treliving makes some serious changes (this will require a hockey trade or combination of player/picks) to the make up of the top 5 or 6 forwards, this team is stuck in the 6-10 spot where it typically resides once again.

Well it's a long off-season but the draft is where a lot of business happens.
But the need to upgrade the top 6 doesn't preclude the ability to upgrade elsewhere.

Enoch Root · 07-23-2021, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

Coleman is a good pickup. In the same vein as Hyman but with more winning pedigree and likely comes cheaper. Would've been in my top 5 of this UFA pool before the rumour.

The trick is to keep the term under 5 years and the dollars under 5M, otherwise he is highly unlikely to live up to the value of the contract.

Would you rather have 4 x $4.5M or 6 x $3.5M?

I think I would take the latter (knowing that the final 2 years would be junk).