[Trade] Seattle trades Pitlick to the Flames for a 2022 4th round pick

[Teroy]

Seems to me that some of you would bitch if Tre traded for McDavid. Nothing, and I mean nothing, ever satisfies you.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by neo45

I don’t think “desperate GM mortgages future to try and save job” is the best supporting argument for this move

I didn’t make it as an argument in favour of or against the trade, more as a possible thought process (good or bad). I’m not into just attacking or defending.

Originally Posted by boogerz

It doesn't, but Treliving was seemingly aggressive and immediate about finding a Nordstrom replacement in Pitlick. However, when it comes to fixing an actual problem with the Flames (i.e. no natural RWs in the Top 6), it takes 2+ seasons for him to try fixing it

Amazingly, it’s much harder to acquire a really good top 6 RHS than it is defensive bottom six forwards. Shocking.

[cannon7]

Continuing to pay a premium for fourth liners. Home run, Tre.

[Ped]

The 4th for Pitlick is a fair deal. He's not some waiver-wire fodder; he's been playing in the NHL for 5 straight seasons. A 4th is really a minimal price and not worth complaining about.


But having said that, the complaining about the complaining is getting intolerable, and just further drags the forum down in the direction you're complaining about.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by neo45

I also don’t think trading up and down at the draft should be included in the analysis

Like sure you added a third rounder and didn’t give up a first, but you made the first round pick worse

Just my .02

Of course it counts. If it didn't you could just as well say some of the picks we traded did/didn't count based on the quality of the player or what we got them for.

That's just one way to add picks, same as trading any player. And spending picks to move up is just one way to spend them, same as trading them for any player.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I didn’t make it as an argument in favour of or against the trade, more as a possible thought process (good or bad). I’m not into just attacking or defending.



Amazingly, it’s much harder to acquire a really good top 6 RHS than it is defensive bottom six forwards. Shocking.

And I think the thought process is probably pretty accurate but that it’s not a good thing

[Aarongavey]

Pitlick has 22 goals in 148 games over the past 3 years

Leivo has 23 goals in 123 games over the past 3 years

Seems like the Flames gave up a 4th rounder for the Leivo replacement.

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Pitlick has 22 goals in 148 games over the past 3 years

Leivo has 23 goals in 123 games over the past 3 years

Seems like the Flames gave up a 4th rounder for the Leivo replacement.

He's a center. More like the Derek Ryan replacement.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Pitlick has 22 goals in 148 games over the past 3 years

Leivo has 23 goals in 123 games over the past 3 years

Seems like the Flames gave up a 4th rounder for the Leivo replacement.

Except Leivo is soft as butter and paid to score and Pitlick is big and paid to play two-way.

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Continuing to pay a premium for fourth liners. Home run, Tre.

How do you define a 4th rounder with a 10% chance of playing NHL games as "paying a premium"?

[Harry Lime]

More like a Nordstrom with more offensive upside. I'm fine with it. More than a year to get a pick back somehow.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Pitlick has 22 goals in 148 games over the past 3 years

Leivo has 23 goals in 123 games over the past 3 years

Seems like the Flames gave up a 4th rounder for the Leivo replacement.

Why do many use goals as the only monitor of a players ability?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by mdubz

He's a center. More like the Derek Ryan replacement.

It will be tough for him to learn a new position, unless his previous teams had someone else take the faceoffs and then he played center.

https://puckbase.com/stats/faceoff-p...=tyler-pitlick

According to this site Pitlick has taken 119 faceoffs in 286 career games.

As a comparable Derek Ryan took 294 faceoffs last year in 43 games.

https://puckbase.com/stats/faceoff-p...yer=derek-ryan

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

It will be tough for him to learn a new position, unless his previous teams had someone else take the faceoffs and then he played center.

https://puckbase.com/stats/faceoff-p...=tyler-pitlick

According to this site Pitlick has taken 119 faceoffs in 286 career games.

As a comparable Derek Ryan took 294 faceoffs last year in 43 games.

https://puckbase.com/stats/faceoff-p...yer=derek-ryan

Damn you and your statistics!!!

[Roof-Daddy]

The Flames already have a lot of money tied up in bottom 6 forwards, another 3rd/4th liner making $1.75 million AAV doesn't help that.

It does sound like he's an effective bottom 6 forward though, so that's good. Nothing wrong with improving your roster from top to bottom, but I sure hope something is coming to improve the roster at the top end too.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Except Leivo is soft as butter and paid to score and Pitlick is big and paid to play two-way.

Ritchie ?

Pitlick also cost twice the cap space

He is a bottom line plug

Ideally you should not have to pay anything but it’s Treliving

He is not too good

[bax]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Ritchie ?

Pitlick also cost twice the cap space

He is a bottom line plug

Ideally you should not have to pay anything but it’s Treliving

He is not too good

Nothing screams Flamesfan like calling the newest member of the Flames a “bottom line plug”.

Pitlick can play. I really doubt you have ever even watched him

[Geeoff]

I think it's hilarious after all the moves Vegas made, Seattle only had 1 deal in the tank

[Itse]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Since July 1, 2017, Treliving has traded 9 picks: 1, 1, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 6, 7

Since July 1, 2017, Treliving has acquired 9 picks: 1, 1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4

He hasn't run a deficit over the last 4 years, nor did he in the 3 years before that (edit: actually he did). Over the last 4 years he's added an additional 4 picks in the top three rounds and lost 4 picks in the last four rounds.

This includes this most recent trade, and does not include trades where the initial pick traded had conditions that went unmet resulting in no draft pick changing hands.

This deficiency myth is just that (edit: over the last four years). Over his entire tenure, Treliving has done the following:

1st round -2
2nd round =
3rd round =
4th round +1
5th round -1
6th round -1
7th round =

EDIT: Capfriendly did me dirty! There was a bug! This definitely wasn't user error! So anyways, Treliving ran a deficit during the first three years, but has since come out equal in trades. The most egregious error is, obviously, Hamonic. Without that trade alone which also resulted in losing Hamonic for nothing, Treliving is equal over the course of his tenure.

Yeah I did this math myself earlier this year.

Basically he was a spending draft picks when the team was supposed to be rebuilding, and now he's been trying to gather draft picks when the team is supposed to be competing.

And that's how you build a team that's on average about a 90-point team.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Itse

Yeah I did this math myself earlier this year.

Basically he was a spending draft picks when the team was supposed to be rebuilding, and now he's been trying to gather draft picks when the team is supposed to be competing.

And that's how you build a team that's on average about a 90-point team.

I think the majority of it stems from that playoff round win in year one where it suddenly seemed like we were supposed to be competing, which he built up into a 2nd overall finish a number of years later, but now that appears to have been the peak for that particular build and not a very consistent one at that.