[Trade] Seattle trades Pitlick to the Flames for a 2022 4th round pick

[Gaskal]

Darryl type, still on the right side of 30, being paid under 2 mill, for what is likely the Oilers 3rd. Don't feel bad but don't feel excited either. Typical Tre ho hum move.

The Wizard has not been seen for years.

[Mull]

He is paid $1.75 next year? For a mid round pick who have a low chance of playing 100 games?

Do it

I could see not loving this deal but hating it just screams to me goggles on with hate vision for BT

[442scotty]

Maybe the flames with flip him to the flyers along with Gaudreau?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by neo45

90% of the league was better at hockey than Pitlick last year

Also he is completely useless on special teams

His play is also trending downward

5v5 he plays good defense and can face good competition

He’s been a good finisher in the past but was bad for whatever reason last year

Where does it say that 90% of the league was better? what metric is that? (not asking in a confrontational way i'm legit trying to understand the numbers)

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Seems like adding more Dominic Simons and Nordstroms. Not bad players, but adding around the edges. And losing a draft pick. I wish he would focus on keeping Ryan Lombergs and Paul Byrons and seeing more Gaudin and Quine.

EDIT: I think we are all mostly saying the same thing. Seems like decent player that we could use, but sucks giving up a mid round pick for someone like this that may be able to be filled from FA or within.

Quine was Stolen from under the Flames noses by the Oilers who gave him a one-way 750K contract to play in Bakersfield last year. Maybe that is why you give a 3rd rd pick for some one coming off a 16:30 TOI over 38 NHL games on a team that was as good in the standings as the Flames

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Darryl type, still on the right side of 30, being paid under 2 mill, for what is likely the Oilers 3rd. Don't feel bad but don't feel excited either. Typical Tre ho hum move.

The Wizard has not been seen for years.

It would be nice if he came back to us now, at the turn of the tide.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Thank goodness they can work on multiple things simultaneously.

Originally Posted by 868904

Can you walk and chew gum at the same time?

I heard that idiot Treliving can do that.

What if there's no cap left to sign an offensive defenseman? That's a way more important piece than a 4th liner. That's why you kind of have to do it in order.

And actually, I think the priority is re-signing Gaudreau and Mangiapane, but those deals don't affect the team until the following year.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

It would be nice if he came back to us now, at the turn of the tide.

I see an Avengers End Game Banner vs Hulk moment here.

"CMON MAN WE NEED YOU!"

"NOOOOOOOOO!"

"WHADYYA MEAN NO!?"

[bzoo02]

Also what's the difference between PK% and penalty %? On those WAR charts?

[Mull]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Darryl type, still on the right side of 30, being paid under 2 mill, for what is likely the Oilers 3rd. Don't feel bad but don't feel excited either. Typical Tre ho hum move.

The Wizard has not been seen for years.

I don't know... snatching one of the few viable goalies last year during FA was pretty clutch.
There were more teams than goalies and Edmonton got left without one.

BT was pretty wizard last year...

I AM BRINGING IT BACK

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Quine was Stolen from under the Flames noses by the Oilers who gave him a one-way 750K contract to play in Bakersfield last year. Maybe that is why you give a 3rd rd pick for some one coming off a 16:30 TOI over 38 NHL games on a team that was as good in the standings as the Flames

As good as the Flames

High bar

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Where does it say that 90% of the league was better? what metric is that? (not asking in a confrontational way i'm legit trying to understand the numbers)

His QoC was 91% He played almost non-stop against the best players on Vegas, Avs, Wild and Blues last year.

When he was on the ice I would imagine that 90% of the players he was up against were better than him. They also were likely paid, on average 3 to 4 times more than him.

He is the poster boy for an Un-sheltered player.

Oh his plus minus should have been the worst on his team like Kessell / Dvorak who had a -17, His was -1.

Yelle in his 5 years with the Flames was a +2 In his 15 year career he was +7

[868904]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

What if there's no cap left to sign an offensive defenseman? That's a way more important piece than a 4th liner. That's why you kind of have to do it in order.

And actually, I think the priority is re-signing Gaudreau and Mangiapane, but those deals don't affect the team until the following year.

Maybe look at it this way, they just replaced Derek Ryan and saved almost $2 million in cap space and didn’t get tied down to a long term contract maintaining flexibility.

There’s a good chance the Rangers will be trading a third round pick on the future to get rid of the Barclay Goodrow contract.

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Where does it say that 90% of the league was better? what metric is that? (not asking in a confrontational way i'm legit trying to understand the numbers)

from: https://jfresh.substack.com/p/player-card-20-explainer

Context: Included to provide context are the player’s name, team, position, 2020-21 season age, and contract.

Projected Wins Above Replacement: A big difference with these cards is that the projected WAR value is now presented as a percentile as well. That’s in large part because we’re about to enter a shortened season, which means that a 4 WAR player will actually only provide about 2.7 this year. It also allows me to use more accurate projections.

Wins Above Replacement Components: The top row shows the five most important components of Patrick’s WAR model:

EV Off: Even strength offence. This is an estimate of how a player impacts his team’s even strength scoring chance generation (or expected goals for).

EV Def: Even strength defence. This is an estimate of how a player impacts his team’s even strength scoring chance against prevention (or expected goals against).

PP: Powerplay. Estimate of how a player impacts his team’s powerplay scoring chances. Player must play at least 1 minute per game on the PP to qualify.

PK: Penalty kill. Estimate of how a player impacts his team’s penalty kill scoring chance suppression. Player must play at least 1 minute of PK per game to qualify.

Finishing: An estimate of how a player contributes to his team through his ability to score on the shots he takes above what is expected based on the expected goal model.

Primary Points:

G/60: Even strength goals per 60 minutes.

A1/60: Primary assists per 60 minutes.

High-Danger Passing

HDPasses: This is a new addition. The new WAR model does not take into account teammate finishing at all. In most cases, this makes the results a lot stronger and cuts out a lot of random luck and noise. But there is evidence that some players do create better chances than expected goals can track through their passing ability. To compensate for this I’ve included three-season weighted high-danger passes, as manually tracked by Corey Sznajder.

Quality of Competition/Teammates

QoC: A measure of a player’s quality of competition based on the average time on ice of the players they play against. The variation of this stat is not particularly pronounced, as contrary to popular belief matchups are very fluid. WAR accounts for competition, and this should strictly be considered extra contextual information about how a player has been deployed by their coach.

QoT: This stat applies the same calculation to a player’s linemates. There is less variation here because it’s easier for a coach to control who a guy plays with than who a guy plays against. Once again, this is adjusted for in the metrics and should be looked at as context.

The Graphs: The graphs are based on those same WAR/EV Off/EV Def/Finishing numbers, but instead of showing a three-year sample it splits them up by season. This lets you see how a player’s impact has changed over time - did they improve or decline, did they become better defensively? The bottom graph shows three WAR components: impact on expected goals for (solid blue), against (solid red), and individual finishing (dashed light blue). The top graph shows a simple timeline of overall WAR percentile rank.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

In a vacuum it’s not an egregious move, but within the context of BTs entire body of work it definitely has all the colourings of expending draft capital for bottom 6 players when, in my opinion, these sorts of players should be coming up through your developmental system. We don’t have the good fortune of being able to develop these types of players because Trelivings propensity to trade away future prospect depth. It’s frustrating.

Off topic, and not to rag on you specifically...

But who in their right mind decided draft "capital" was a smarter way to say "picks"? I've seen it at least half a dozen times over the last week. It's bizarre.

[Philly06Cup]

Will reiterate that Pitlick was really good for Philly 2 years ago. He's a stud bottom six player. Flames need an upgrade in that department. Ryan is leaving, and Simon/Leivo/Nordstrom/froese/Ritchie/Buddy completely sucked. This is a good move that fits a need.



People here just want any excuse to complain.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

^Can someone explain what all that means?

from what I understand, blue is good and red is bad, so Pitlick played against a very high quality of competition and was bad offensively and good defensively

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Off topic, and not to rag on you specifically...

But who in their right mind decided draft "capital" was a smarter way to say "picks"? I've seen it at least half a dozen times over the last week. It's bizarre.

Seems to be a common phrasing in NHL circles. Especially Treliving.

[Toonage]

Can't wait to see if Pitlick's puck luck makes this a good pick up.

[Jables16]

Ah yes, the time of year where people insanely over value picks beyond the 2nd round and completely ignore the statistical probability of them being NHLers of any kind.

Even if it is a 3rd rounder for Pitlick, which is yet to be confirmed, Tre added two 3rds last year just by trading down, and still drafted a player we all seem to be happy with in Zary using the 1st. It's not impossible to recoup picks, it's actually quite doable.