[News] Giordano left unprotected in expansion draft

[OldSam]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

This just doesn’t make sense . So Seattle bluffs and despite the Flames attempting to keep Gio and offering something , Seattle refuses and then selects Ryan

Unless you mean they are bluffing and will make a side deal tomorrow for lesser assets - or Calgary calls their bluff

All seem highly unlikely

We don't know if the Flames offered anything. They likely asked what Seattle would need not to take Gio and Francis came up with a first and a third. Who knows what will happen tomorrow. But, as I said, I am usually wrong.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I think locker room issues are overblown.

When it comes down to it, the Flames from 2007-2013 just weren't very good. We had maybe a couple seasons between 07 and 09 with Langkow and Huselius/Cammalleri/Tanguay (particularly 08/09 when a bunch of players were injured just before the playoffs), but overall the team was constructed poorly, gave up tons of assets for bottom six forwards or bottom pairing defencemen, and never had any help coming through the pipeline.

Darryl = bad GM

The results from after the lockout to when Iggy was traded are primarily on him.

Yeah, the issues that this team faced back then and are facing today are pretty similar.

The team is just not good enough. There's not enough talent, and there's certainly not enough high-end talent. The moment you start looking for intangibles/unquantifiable magic team ju ju, you know you've lost perspective. This team was just not built well enough to compete at the top of the league. No magic mixture is going to fix it. It's a lack of talent, and no team is out there giving talent away for free.

(That 08/09 season featured the strongest team the Flames have had in the modern era, and injuries just destroyed them.)

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I think locker room issues are overblown.

When it comes down to it, the Flames from 2007-2013 just weren't very good. We had maybe a couple seasons between 07 and 09 with Langkow and Huselius/Cammalleri/Tanguay (particularly 08/09 when a bunch of players were injured just before the playoffs), but overall the team was constructed poorly, gave up tons of assets for bottom six forwards or bottom pairing defencemen, and never had any help coming through the prospect pipeline.

Darryl = bad GM

The results from after the lockout to when Iggy was traded are primarily on him.

That team in 08/09 was a powerhouse. Some of the worst injury luck this team has ever seen derailed them. If I remember correctly, the flames were within a few points of Detroit for first in the league at one point deep into the season… and then within 2 weeks, they lost absolutely all of their depth scoring to injury (langkow, bourque, Glencross, bertuzzi, etc.). As well as their bottom half of their defense. The team never recovered and faced a healthy young Chicago team in the first round.


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[Hockey_Ninja]

I hate how true this is:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1417510285389156353

[Scroopy Noopers]

I hate how focused fans are in getting returns for their best players.

I’d rather keep them forever. Is that common? Are we way down on the list of assets accumulated from franchise players? Most stay and retire, or leave as a UFA late.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

I hate how true this is:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1417510285389156353

Certainly true for what Feaster got for Iginla. But Kipper did not get moved. He simply retired and did not want to play any longer. This was the deal he wanted when he re-signed. Having said that, I don't believe that franchise players MUST be moved when their peak time is over. There is something to be said for a player that plays his entire career for one team and for the team that allows that to happen.

[The Yen Man]

I dunno, we got an Art Ross, a Vezina, a Jennings, and a Norris trophy out of it, so that's not nothing. Wish we could have had some playoff success, but that's just not in the cards for the Flames apparently.

[Camronius]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

I hate how true this is:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1417510285389156353

We’re getting cap space back, a bunch of it during the worst days of his contract. How often do you get the upside of these longer contracts by getting the best years and cutting bait for the worst? Love Gio, but this is one of the best things we could hope for right now. We desperately need a shakeup up-front and in the room. This affords us the ability to do both.

[Roof-Daddy]

The only way I don't see the Kraken taking Gio is if they were surprised by some of the exposed players and want to allocate that cap elsewhere because they feel they will still have a strong and deep D core without Gio.

Price is example number one. If they decide to take him then they are putting quite a bit more cap towards goaltending than they may have initially expected.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I dunno, we got an Art Ross, a Vezina, a Jennings, and a Norris trophy out of it, so that's not nothing. Wish we could have had some playoff success, but that's just not in the cards for the Flames apparently.

It was in.

[PaperBagger'14]

We also got the electric buzz that permeated the entire city during the cup run. I was a grocery clerk at the time and the store was completely dead during every game, 2004 took over the entire city.

Luckily my boss was a huge flames fan, he had a rabbit ear camping TV that got reception for CBC set up in the back room. We would sit and watch the games in black and white sitting on the carts We would load groceries on.

I still can't wait for that to happen again

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Certainly true for what Feaster got for Iginla. But Kipper did not get moved. He simply retired and did not want to play any longer. This was the deal he wanted when he re-signed. Having said that, I don't believe that franchise players MUST be moved when their peak time is over. There is something to be said for a player that plays his entire career for one team and for the team that allows that to happen.

Agree. I’m not in the camp that wishes any of these guys had been traded earlier in their careers. I’m very glad that all three played vast majority of their careers with the Flames. I think if you look at it, you’ll see it’s rare that franchise icons get moved for a huge return, in any sport.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

The only way I don't see the Kraken taking Gio is if they were surprised by some of the exposed players and want to allocate that cap elsewhere because they feel they will still have a strong and deep D core without Gio.

Price is example number one. If they decide to take him then they are putting quite a bit more cap towards goaltending than they may have initially expected.

Exactly. He is the best player by a mile they could pick from the Flames but they have a lot of moving pieces in play.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I hate how focused fans are in getting returns for their best players.

I’d rather keep them forever. Is that common? Are we way down on the list of assets accumulated from franchise players? Most stay and retire, or leave as a UFA late.

The obsession with "getting a return" for players is asinine and hilarious to me. Every player becomes a hot potato that you don't want to end up with, but somehow you have to bring yourself to ice a roster. I suppose it is inherently true that it is better to "sell high", but if you look at it from a reductionist point of view it becomes absurd. Like in retrospect Treliving ought to have traded most of the team away two years ago, including Giordano. Sutter should have traded Iginla in 2008. Cliff Fletcher should have traded Lanny McDonald in '83; by '86 at the very latest, anyway.

The most asinine thing about this entire thread is that the vast majority of posts are predicated on the foregone conclusion that Mark Giordano will be picked by Seattle tomorrow.

Ron Francis has to pick a team that'll fit within the cap, fit within the draft rules, and that works best for the Seattle Kraken moving forward. Mark Giordano is a useful player, but he's 38 years old, makes a lot of money, and only has one year left on his contract: the Kraken risk "losing him for nothing" after only one year, getting no "return" for him either. "They could flip him to another team for assets tomorrow!" some will say. Sure, it might happen, but the same sobering analysis applies: 38 years old, one year left, lots of money. Francis has to find an enthusiastic trade partner for such an asset, which honestly isn't as easy as people make it sound. I know it sounds heretical, but given his age and his contract there are plenty of teams in the NHL who would never make room on the roster for Mark Giordano next season.

I won't be shocked if Seattle do pick Giordano, but I'll be at least as shocked if they don't pick someone else instead.

[dammage79]

Everyone and their dogs know Gio is a Kraken. It's like the easiest pick to make of the bunch.

[stemit14]

Losing gio this way feels so wrong. I don’t think he wants to go. The flames don’t want to lose him. I feel like the flames want to keep gio more than any other team wants to keep any player that they will lose in the expansion draft.

It’s the emotional attachment we fans get to players like gio and Iggy. Heart and sole leaders of the team that we’re proud to have as the captain of our favourite team. Hate to see him go and honestly I already dislike Seattle if they take him from us.


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[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Bingo

But it's not as simple as showing up and acting like Messier. A lot has to go right to win.

A fact that Messier proved when he showed up in Vancouver and acted like Messier. It was three years of total disaster.

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

We also got the electric buzz that permeated the entire city during the cup run. I was a grocery clerk at the time and the store was completely dead during every game, 2004 took over the entire city.

Luckily my boss was a huge flames fan, he had a rabbit ear camping TV that got reception for CBC set up in the back room. We would sit and watch the games in black and white sitting on the carts We would load groceries on.

I still can't wait for that to happen again

I don't know how to break this to you, PB, but next time you'll probably have to settle for watching the games in colour.

[Manhattanboy]

Gio’s last night as a Flame. Sad.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by timun

The obsession with "getting a return" for players is asinine and hilarious to me. Every player becomes a hot potato that you don't want to end up with, but somehow you have to bring yourself to ice a roster. I suppose it is inherently true that it is better to "sell high", but if you look at it from a reductionist point of view it becomes absurd. Like in retrospect Treliving ought to have traded most of the team away two years ago, including Giordano. Sutter should have traded Iginla in 2008. Cliff Fletcher should have traded Lanny McDonald in '83; by '86 at the very latest, anyway.

The most asinine thing about this entire thread is that the vast majority of posts are predicated on the foregone conclusion that Mark Giordano will be picked by Seattle tomorrow.

Ron Francis has to pick a team that'll fit within the cap, fit within the draft rules, and that works best for the Seattle Kraken moving forward. Mark Giordano is a useful player, but he's 38 years old, makes a lot of money, and only has one year left on his contract: the Kraken risk "losing him for nothing" after only one year, getting no "return" for him either. "They could flip him to another team for assets tomorrow!" some will say. Sure, it might happen, but the same sobering analysis applies: 38 years old, one year left, lots of money. Francis has to find an enthusiastic trade partner for such an asset, which honestly isn't as easy as people make it sound. I know it sounds heretical, but given his age and his contract there are plenty of teams in the NHL who would never make room on the roster for Mark Giordano next season.

I won't be shocked if Seattle do pick Giordano, but I'll be at least as shocked if they don't pick someone else instead.

The reason most feel Gio will be picked, absent a deal, is because there is no viable alternative from Calgary.

And it’s likely the reason why the cost of a deal is quite high, being the difference to Seattle of Gio and presumably Kylington or the like.


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[icarus]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Gio’s last night as a Flame. Sad.

I'm still holding out hope it will be someone else.

But if true, sad indeed. To lose both Brodie and Gio less than a year apart...