Official available and protected lists

[Wood]

Originally Posted by Weirdness

I like the list. However when I plugged it in to the CapFriendly tool it shows that this roster is at $95.4M cap hit, which I don't this is allowed even during offseason. I always thought they would have to remain under the cap at all times, even if they will most assuredly make trades afterwards. I don't think CapFriendly factors Klefbom likely being on LTIR so there would be some savings there I think, but doesn't that get determined at the start of the season?



I'm thinking Bishop, Giordano and Tarasenko get swapped out for cheaper contracts.

For me it comes out to $87M without Klefbom on IR, but there's a few RFAs and Dreidger needs a contract. I don't expect them to try and keep a team like that, if they can draft those guys I'd think some of the big ones will get moved

I also think they might take Foote over Gourde and try to make a side deal with Tampa, I doubt they're going to help Tampa for free. I just like Gourde a lot

I might be wrong but I think you're allowed over the cap in the Off-season, you just need to be compliant by the start of next season. Tampa is already at $85M and don't have a full roster

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Weirdness

What I'm struggling with when using CapFriendly's draft tool right now is actually having 20/30 players under contract for next season requirement. A lot of decent players are exposed that are UFA/RFA which kinda complicates things. Seattle might make a few "head-scratcher" moves just to meet this requirement. There's also no actual contract signing tool, so it just assumes the previous cap hit for any UFA/RFAs that you sign, which will likely end up being higher.



And from what I'm playing around with, I'm feeling its less and less likely Seattle picks Giordano. I'm feeling like all the chatter about the Flames needing to make a deal to keep Seattle from taking him is just Seattle bluffing: they really want Kylington but are really trying to convince the Flames its Giordano they want just so they get another asset or two.

There is no team in the league that wants Kylington. It is no accident that he has a 2 way contract with the Flames 787K / 70K not even a solid AHL salary like the $300k Petrovic got last year.

It will be happy offseason for Kylington if the Flames give him a qualifying offer.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I noticed that no one took Tanev from Pittsburgh the younger, faster, crazier of the Tanevs.

4 x 3.5 left on his contract He is Byron fast.... He is 4th in the league in hits over the last 3 years. He takes near Lady Byng amount of penalties and is a on the 1st line PK

There is a chance he might break down the way he plays but he is only in year 5 as a NHL player

He would force the Flames to play at a higher tempo

I was tempted to take him. But it is hard to pass up a 24 year old 6'3" Marcus Pettersson, even if he has struggled a bit since signing his new deal.

[Weirdness]

Originally Posted by cannon7

I didn't waste any of my picks on UFAs. Since The Kraken get first crack at UFAs, I went with guys under contract or pending RFAs. There are a decent number of pending RFAs that are arbitration eligible. Wonder if the Kraken will avoid some of those.

With Tampa I picked Foote, might as well leave them in cap hell. Expect Tampa will be paying heavily in this expansion draft.

It's a big debate. Do you use up a pick on a UFA because you have exclusive negotiating rights and could actually get the player? Or do you pick someone else and gamble that you might be able to sign them in free agency? I do expect the actual number of UFAs that are signed and used as a selection to be pretty low: one MAYBE two picks are signed UFAs. IIRC the only picked UFA that was actually signed by Vegas was Derek Engelland.


And yes, screw Tampa. Let them get out of their cap hell by themselves

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I just can’t buy that Seattle really wants Kylington. Strong likelihood he will be available on waivers again next season.

If he goes on waivers, he doesn't automatically go to Seattle.

If he turns out to be worth taking, he probably won't go on waivers at all.

If he doesn't turn out to be worth taking, why would Seattle vacate a spot on what will be a pretty crowded roster to make room for a player who isn't good enough to make an NHL team?

[Weirdness]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

There is no team in the league that wants Kylington. It is no accident that he has a 2 way contract with the Flames 787K / 70K not even a solid AHL salary like the $300k Petrovic got last year.

It will be happy offseason for Kylington if the Flames give him a qualifying offer.

I do think another consideration for Seattle is they will need to get a farm team together. I know everyone is going on and on about how they will take Gio just so they could flip him with salary retained at the deadline, but if you need to stock up an AHL team, based on what you said Kylington would kinda fit the bill, no?

[flamesfan6]

Originally Posted by Weirdness

I do think another consideration for Seattle is they will need to get a farm team together. I know everyone is going on and on about how they will take Gio just so they could flip him with salary retained at the deadline, but if you need to stock up an AHL team, based on what you said Kylington would kinda fit the bill, no?

Gio can be traded for assets (including ahl players) where an borderline NHLer will not gain much..

They can sign someone to play in the AHL if they need to, there are a bunch of players they can sign for that purpose, it's like a draft, you pick the best available player... that gets you further

If you were the Seattle GM would you rather do:

a) Pick a player that can get you NHL games and if traded get you some decent return

b) Pick someone in the expansion draft that you may not get anything back from or stay as a 6th/7th/AHL dman

I know which one I'd go with...

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by flamesfan6

If you were the Seattle GM would you rather do:

a) Pick a player that can get you NHL games and if traded get you some decent return

b) Pick someone in the expansion draft that you may not get anything back from or stay as a 6th/7th/AHL dman

I know which one I'd go with...

If those were the only considerations, sure. But the Kraken are not allowed to go over the cap with the players they pick, and suddenly there are some mighty tempting high-priced players available, both in the expansion draft and in free agency.

In the circumstances, it's at least possible that Ron Francis doesn't want to tie up $6.75 million in a 38-year-old defenceman, just on the off chance that he might still be playing well enough to have trade value at the deadline.

[Weirdness]

Originally Posted by Wood

For me it comes out to $87M without Klefbom on IR, but there's a few RFAs and Dreidger needs a contract. I don't expect them to try and keep a team like that, if they can draft those guys I'd think some of the big ones will get moved

I also think they might take Foote over Gourde and try to make a side deal with Tampa, I doubt they're going to help Tampa for free. I just like Gourde a lot

I might be wrong but I think you're allowed over the cap in the Off-season, you just need to be compliant by the start of next season. Tampa is already at $85M and don't have a full roster

I think the allowed overage in the offseason is 10%, so 89.65M? However, according to the entry on Wikipedia (I know, I know, maybe not 100% accurate) Seattle must stay within the cap:


"Furthermore, the 2021–22 salaries of the thirty players selected (as measured in terms of what is counted against the salary cap, otherwise colloquially known as the "cap hit") must add up to between 60% and 100% of the 2020–21 salary cap (i.e. the full nominal cap, not the prorated cap for the shortened 56-game season that was played)."

But wait! That's 2021-22 salaries, it doesn't account for UFA/RFA signings then? Do UFA/RFA picks have to be signed to a contract for the expansion draft on July 21st? or can they be picked and signed later? ugh so confusing hahaha

[flamesfan6]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

If those were the only considerations, sure. But the Kraken are not allowed to go over the cap with the players they pick, and suddenly there are some mighty tempting high-priced players available, both in the expansion draft and in free agency.

In the circumstances, it's at least possible that Ron Francis doesn't want to tie up $6.75 million in a 38-year-old defenceman, just on the off chance that he might still be playing well enough to have trade value at the deadline.

Yes, those reasonings would be why they wouldn't pick Gio in the expansion draft, though I'm assuming they are not going to have issues with going over the cap and can always trade and retain some salary.

Drafting players to fill out an AHL team is not going to be their reasoning for picking players.

[Macman]

I also don't believe the Kraken will pick Mark Giordano unless they have an agreement and want to extend him for a couple more seasons.

I would think they want a group of players to move forward with for at least 2-3 seasons or so.

How would Gio fit into that plan and I'm not sure they should be focusing on acquiring players they want to trade in a year .

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The problem with that is the next 4 years of cap should Price not get injured.

Nobody should be able to take a chance that they might be tying up 12 % of their goalies.

Price also looked better than he was with the Habs in these Playoffs because they bought into team defense in a 90-10 sort of way. Their best forward had 1 goal and 4 pts in 22 playoff games. That won't happen with a lot if any teams.

Odds are he won’t play a full season.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

If he goes on waivers, he doesn't automatically go to Seattle.

If he turns out to be worth taking, he probably won't go on waivers at all.

If he doesn't turn out to be worth taking, why would Seattle vacate a spot on what will be a pretty crowded roster to make room for a player who isn't good enough to make an NHL team?

Not really sure what you’re saying here, he has been on waivers. Maybe Seattle sees something every other team doesn’t. I believe that’s unlikely.

They’re not prioritizing their farm team.

Even if they don’t want Gio at all, sure sounds like Treliving is prepared to give them something to select someone else. Can’t imagine they don’t take advantage of that.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

If those were the only considerations, sure. But the Kraken are not allowed to go over the cap with the players they pick, and suddenly there are some mighty tempting high-priced players available, both in the expansion draft and in free agency.

In the circumstances, it's at least possible that Ron Francis doesn't want to tie up $6.75 million in a 38-year-old defenceman, just on the off chance that he might still be playing well enough to have trade value at the deadline.

Yes, future opportunity cost needs to be a consideration for any GM and something that fans rarely think of. Unfortunately, some GMs don't think about it as much as they should either.

[Weirdness]

Originally Posted by flamesfan6

Gio can be traded for assets (including ahl players) where an borderline NHLer will not gain much..

They can sign someone to play in the AHL if they need to, there are a bunch of players they can sign for that purpose, it's like a draft, you pick the best available player... that gets you further

If you were the Seattle GM would you rather do:

a) Pick a player that can get you NHL games and if traded get you some decent return

b) Pick someone in the expansion draft that you may not get anything back from or stay as a 6th/7th/AHL dman

I know which one I'd go with...

I think it all depends on what other high-priced "big fish" Seattle takes. If they go a bit lean and younger then yes, I think taking Gio as a leader and mentor to the younger players makes sense. But, if they are going all-in and trying to make the playoffs and win a round or two then its likely they go with the more expensive options and I think Gio would be too expensive at his age. The question I guess is: is Kylington trash? or has he just not reached his potential yet? Something for Seattle to ponder I suppose...

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

There is no team in the league that wants Kylington. It is no accident that he has a 2 way contract with the Flames 787K / 70K not even a solid AHL salary like the $300k Petrovic got last year.

It will be happy offseason for Kylington if the Flames give him a qualifying offer.

This is pure nonsense.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by flamesfan6

Drafting players to fill out an AHL team is not going to be their reasoning for picking players.

It's going to be part of it, because they are drafting 30 players and can only have 23 on the roster.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Not really sure what you’re saying here, he has been on waivers. Maybe Seattle sees something every other team doesn’t. I believe that’s unlikely.

Many players go through waivers and still become serviceable NHLers. Going through waivers at the end of training camp, which is what happened to Kylington, doesn't mean a player suddenly has zero value. It means that other teams can't find a roster spot for him, because they are busy trying to get their own older prospects through waivers at the same time.

The cost of picking up a player on waivers is having to put one of your own players on waivers in exchange.

They’re not prioritizing their farm team.

No, but some of the players they draft will end up on the farm team and they know it perfectly well. If they have a better use for Giordano's cap hit, they have a reason to take someone cheaper, that's all.

Even if they don’t want Gio at all, sure sounds like Treliving is prepared to give them something to select someone else. Can’t imagine they don’t take advantage of that.

Is he prepared to give them a first and a third? That's their reported price. It doesn't sound to me like there is any deal to be made.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Is he prepared to give them a first and a third? That's their reported price. It doesn't sound to me like there is any deal to be made.

I thought you were arguing the reasons they wouldn’t pick Gio?

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Macman

I also don't believe the Kraken will pick Mark Giordano unless they have an agreement and want to extend him for a couple more seasons.

I would think they want a group of players to move forward with for at least 2-3 seasons or so.

How would Gio fit into that plan and I'm not sure they should be focusing on acquiring players they want to trade in a year .

Vegas took a bunch of guys who they then traded or never played a game

Not taking giordano and moving him at 50% retained is bad asset management