[News] Giordano left unprotected in expansion draft

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Except we don't know...media also said Hamilton was an outcast because he went to museums...turned out to be a lie

"not really" when asked if he liked museums

Wasn’t that just John Shannon making a metaphor? Like as in, Dougie Hamilton isn’t wired like a typical professional athlete? I mean, he did win the Scholastic player of the year when he was in juniors. Just check out his high school averages:

“Hamilton, a 17-year-old from Toronto, ON, attends Governor Simcoe Secondary School in St. Catharines where he maintains an overall academic average of 94% in six Grade 12 level courses including marks of 97% in Calculus, 95% in Physics, 95% in Personal and Fitness, 92% in English, 92% in Biology, and 91% in Chemistry. This is Hamilton’s second straight Academic Award after winning the Ivan Tennant Memorial Award in his rookie season.”

https://ontariohockeyleague.com/iced...er-of-the-year


Kid was always a brainiac, not a jock.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by flambers

They can also sign UFA's to hit the cap floor, my guess they don't take very many big contracts.

Cap space is worth something....

With Tampa for example, I bet they take "Cal Foote"

UFAs are going to get term. Good players on expiring contracts are gold to the Kraken. Play then sell at the deadline. Vegas took guys like Neal and Perron with just that in mind.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by 868904

All I know is that whoever told Tkachuk to "tone things down" should not get the captaincy and should be traded.

In terms of leadership and the captaincy, no player comes to the defense of his teammates more than Tkachuk and no player has as little support from his teammates as Tkachuk. Take that for what you will.

As for Tkachuk in the playoffs, his first taste was against a big tough Ducks team. Rookie season, I'll give him a pass.

3 points in 5 games against Colorado is not bad. He was also very physical in that series and involved.

2 points in 6 games last playoffs but hard to say he wasn't impactful before his injury. His physical play led to Schiefle's injury and as we've seen, that Jets team can't win in the playoffs without Schiefle. Flames maybe don't beat the Jets without that series of events.

He might not have put up points, but Tkachuk is very impactful and engaged in the playoffs. It's still a very small sample size for him.

Can we kill this narrative yet? Tkachuk has pulled enough that if his teammates called out his antics it was deserved.

I look at Tkachuk and his on-ice behaviour as the anti-captain. Give me a guy who brings an honest effort, plays on the line, but when it’s all said and done is respected in his own locker room and the opponent’s.

Could you see Tkachuk leading the team back on the ice to shake hands when a respected player on the other team plays his last game? Not me. I’d wager he’d be more likely to get a sneaky spear in when the refs aren’t looking.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I’m obviously in the minority, but I’m pretty disappointed that the Flames left Gio exposed as losing him does not make the Flames better. Although he could still be a Flame depending on what Tre and Francis work out. But I also understand the cost was insanely prohibitive. I mean giving up the 12th overall pick + a 3rd rounder just to have one more season of Gio at $6.75M? Just an unfathomable price tag. If the Flames can’t find a way to keep Gio, I do hope at the very least, the Flames can find a way to re-sign Gio for cheap next season. He moved his family to Calgary and has fully established himself within the community.

I won’t lie though, seeing Ryan Suter’s name added on to the UFA market has piqued my interest. Theoretically, without Gio’s contract, the Flames will have now freed up almost $7M and can use a portion of that to lure a top defenseman. A top 4 of Tanev-Hanifin & Suter-Andersson could actually be very formidable top 4.


A question i do have in all of this though is, did Treliving even attempt to trade Gio himself to gain any assets just to give a big F U to Ron Francis? I mean, if Francis just ends up flipping Gio to a contender anyway, why couldn’t the Flames do that themselves? Unless Treliving already canvassed the entire league and realized that there wasn’t much interest in a soon to be 38 year old defenseman. So maybe it would be in the best interest for Ron Francis to just take a couple of mediocre draft picks and take Kylington rather than selecting Gio and finding out for himself that the rest of the league isn’t all that interested in Gio. Very interesting circumstances these GMs are finding themselves in, should be a dramatic couple of weeks here.

I think it should go without saying he went down that road, but what team was then going to acquire a 38YO Dman with 1 year left AND protect him over other guys already on their team?

This was inevitable being as deep on D as the Flames are.

[TheSquatch]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I’m obviously in the minority, but I’m pretty disappointed that the Flames left Gio exposed as losing him does not make the Flames better. Although he could still be a Flame depending on what Tre and Francis work out. But I also understand the cost was insanely prohibitive. I mean giving up the 12th overall pick + a 3rd rounder just to have one more season of Gio at $6.75M? Just an unfathomable price tag. If the Flames can’t find a way to keep Gio, I do hope at the very least, the Flames can find a way to re-sign Gio for cheap next season. He moved his family to Calgary and has fully established himself within the community.

I won’t lie though, seeing Ryan Suter’s name added on to the UFA market has piqued my interest. Theoretically, without Gio’s contract, the Flames will have now freed up almost $7M and can use a portion of that to lure a top defenseman. A top 4 of Tanev-Hanifin & Suter-Andersson could actually be very formidable top 4.


A question i do have in all of this though is, did Treliving even attempt to trade Gio himself to gain any assets just to give a big F U to Ron Francis? I mean, if Francis just ends up flipping Gio to a contender anyway, why couldn’t the Flames do that themselves? Unless Treliving already canvassed the entire league and realized that there wasn’t much interest in a soon to be 38 year old defenseman. So maybe it would be in the best interest for Ron Francis to just take a couple of mediocre draft picks and take Kylington rather than selecting Gio and finding out for himself that the rest of the league isn’t all that interested in Gio. Very interesting circumstances these GMs are finding themselves in, should be a dramatic couple of weeks here.

How does protecting Gio make the Flames better? Who are you willing to lose for nothing here, and say, a year from now "Oh, thank God we let that guy go and kept Gio."

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Can't the assistants do that as well? I remember him going on a tear with the A.

Yes, but I think it would be just a little bit extra effective with the symbolic power of the captaincy added.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Wasn’t that just John Shannon making a metaphor? Like as in, Dougie Hamilton isn’t wired like a typical professional athlete? I mean, he did win the Scholastic player of the year when he was in juniors. Just check out his high school averages:

“Hamilton, a 17-year-old from Toronto, ON, attends Governor Simcoe Secondary School in St. Catharines where he maintains an overall academic average of 94% in six Grade 12 level courses including marks of 97% in Calculus, 95% in Physics, 95% in Personal and Fitness, 92% in English, 92% in Biology, and 91% in Chemistry. This is Hamilton’s second straight Academic Award after winning the Ivan Tennant Memorial Award in his rookie season.”

https://ontariohockeyleague.com/iced...er-of-the-year


Kid was always a brainiac, not a jock.

Ovechkin is just about to get his PhD, I don't think being a brainiac excludes the possibility of being a jock.

If ever a player fit the jock stereotype it is Ovechkin.

[timun]

Originally Posted by TheSquatch

I don't think it's clear at all what the Kraken will or won't do. Obviously an argument could be made that Gio would be an asset, a stable, able veteran on a brand new team. But if they feel that role is filled by other players, then I can also see Gio being a hard pass for the Kraken, a aging rental is no way to build a team foundation.

My gut is that Gio is a Flame next year.

We'll see.

Couldn't agree more, Squatch. I'm actually pleasantly surprised that Treliving didn't protect a soon-to-be-38-year-old, $6.75M defenceman on the decline. I'm even more happy he didn't give Seattle a bounty of picks and prospects to "protect" him either. Sure, Ron Francis might pick Giordano, most likely because the rest of what the Flames left available simply isn't appealing (which speaks volumes about where the Flames are at...). He might pick him for the so-called intangibles, but it's still a lot of money tied up for a short term in depreciating asset.

Frankly I think the idea that Giordano would be picked just so Francis could flip him for other assets is specious. I think Flames fans are wont to vastly overestimate Giordano's value.

My gut feeling is also that Giordano goes nowhere. If I was Francis I'd pick Oliver Kylington, sign him to a commensurate small RFA deal, and see if he becomes something. That scenario has far better upside. And if I'm perfectly honest as a Flames fan I'm not choked if Kylington is picked either, because as of yet I haven't seen him take the next steps to becoming something better than "AHL tweener".

For the Flames leaving Giordano exposed was the logical choice. It's not the end of the world if he's lost "for nothing"; there's a significant chance Giordano is gone "for nothing" next year anyway.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by stang

Please be Lucic

Not my first choice, but still would be better than 95% of the guys donning the poop drop.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by stang

Please be Lucic

I know you mean that sarcastically because an Oiler-fan would think it would be a terrible idea, almost as bad as making Ference your Captain before he ever even wore an Oilers jersey, or anointing a teenager your Captain, but really, Lucic has all of the attributes of a great Captain.

Outspoken, Veteran, gritty, stands up for his teammates and is well-liked in the room. I think he would be an excellent choice.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by TheSquatch

How does protecting Gio make the Flames better? Who are you willing to lose for nothing here, and say, a year from now "Oh, thank God we let that guy go and kept Gio."

When I say losing Gio makes the Flames worse, what I mean is the Flames don’t have another defenseman who can log 27 minutes a night and play in all situations. Gio is the team’s best overall defenseman and unless the Flames can pick up a comparable dman some where, Gio’s absence will hurt the team.

Obviously from an asset management point of view, it makes perfect sense to expose Gio over the other 3. I also take it from what Lebrun was hearing that the Flames may have entertained the idea of trading Noah Hanifin, but if he was only receiving pennies on the dollars, then yes it probably ultimately made more sense to just lose Gio and find a suitable replacement (i.e. Suter).

[getbak]

This possibility has been discussed regarding Gio too, so it's nice to get a semi-official confirmation on this...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1416862403657142277

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Ovechkin is just about to get his PhD, I don't think being a brainiac excludes the possibility of being a jock.

If ever a player fit the jock stereotype it is Ovechkin.

Yeah but Ovechkin is also entering his late 30’s and is a dad. His life priorities have changed considerably. Plus, I’m not trying to say that athletes can't be smart, I was just providing context to what the “museums” remark was all about. Also, the point I made was actually something that Elliotte Friedman has been saying for a while now about Dougie, that he doesn’t fit the typical pro athlete mold and perhaps that’s why Dougie seems to struggle to find synergy with his teams and teammates.

[868904]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Can we kill this narrative yet? Tkachuk has pulled enough that if his teammates called out his antics it was deserved.

I look at Tkachuk and his on-ice behaviour as the anti-captain. Give me a guy who brings an honest effort, plays on the line, but when it’s all said and done is respected in his own locker room and the opponent’s.

Could you see Tkachuk leading the team back on the ice to shake hands when a respected player on the other team plays his last game? Not me. I’d wager he’d be more likely to get a sneaky spear in when the refs aren’t looking.

Pulled what?

He gets in the oppositions face but he doesn't go out intentionally hurting people. He's no Marchment or Tom Wilson.

If the Caps can have Wilson's back after all he's done, the Flames should have Tkachuk's back.

Guess what, the Caps are a Championship calibre team and the Flames aren't close because they don't understand what it means to be a team.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Locke

I know you mean that sarcastically because an Oiler-fan would think it would be a terrible idea, almost as bad as making Ference your Captain before he ever even wore an Oilers jersey, or anointing a teenager your Captain, but really, Lucic has all of the attributes of a great Captain.

Outspoken, Veteran, gritty, stands up for his teammates and is well-liked in the room. I think he would be an excellent choice.

I think Stang was serious. IIRC he’s a big Lucic fan.

[oldschoolcalgary]

not saying its likely, but if Gio is picked by Seattle, he can simply decide to resign with Calgary as a UFA if he wants to retire as a Flame.

The unfortunate thing is that the expansion draft is making a lot of team expose guys that they would rather keep if they could...its not personal.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by 868904

Pulled what?

He gets in the oppositions face but he doesn't go out intentionally hurting people. He's no Marchment or Tom Wilson.

If the Caps can have Wilson's back after all he's done, the Flames should have Tkachuk's back.

Guess what, the Caps are a Championship calibre team and the Flames aren't close because they don't understand what it means to be a team.

There are several examples of what Tkachuk has pulled. The Doughty elbow for example is a 10 game suspension today. You don’t need stupid antics to be a championship caliber team. And certainly not from someone you’d consider as captain material.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by getbak

This possibility has been discussed regarding Gio too, so it's nice to get a semi-official confirmation on this...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1416862403657142277

So the league cares about cap circumvention when Montreal tries to do it? But Tampa is fine? Ok.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by codynw

So the league cares about cap circumvention when Montreal tries to do it? But Tampa is fine? Ok.

Tampa didn't circumvent anything. There is no salary cap in the playoffs.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Locke

I know you mean that sarcastically because an Oiler-fan would think it would be a terrible idea, almost as bad as making Ference your Captain before he ever even wore an Oilers jersey, or anointing a teenager your Captain, but really, Lucic has all of the attributes of a great Captain.

Outspoken, Veteran, gritty, stands up for his teammates and is well-liked in the room. I think he would be an excellent choice.

McDavid would be a much better captain and post season player if they had him work under the mentorship of a strong veteran who would pass the C on when the time was right.

Instead they went about it like 12 year olds playing gm on the Xbox.

Zero concept of development.

Your captain isn't necessarily supposed to be your best player either. Looch has those leadership intangibles in spades and has won before, and has been probably a top 3 performer in the playoffs for us, despite being over the hump.

I wouldn't mind him, Backlund (though ideally a couple years ago), Tanev or maybe Lindholm.

Mangiapane or Dube in a few years will be excellent candidates though I think.