LeBrun: Flames are looking at every single scenario to try and keep Giordano

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Mephisto

Based on the way Murray Edwards runs his other businesses I have a hard time believing he is MIA on this decision. He will make this call like he made the call to sign Neal/Brouwer, trade Iginla, etc.

Murray Edwards made the calls to sign Neal and Brouwer? I'm just dying to see the evidence.

[getbak]

I'm curious about the potential "hockey trades" that they're talking about.

I assume it would be something where one of Andersson, Hanifin, or Tanev would be packaged with one of the protected forwards and sent to another team for an upgraded forward.

From the perspective of the expansion draft, the forwards would cancel each other out and it would free up a defence protection spot for Gio. The other team would have to have a spare protection spot on defence for something like that to work. I don't know if there are very many teams that have both a forward who would be worth that type of package deal from the Flames and who also has only 2 defencemen worth protecting.


I guess another option would be to move one of those d-men for either a draft pick or a young player who is exempt from the expansion draft.

[Rick M.]

Gio is still a useful player, but, given that the Flames do not appear ready to contend, I wouldn’t spend assets to protect a 38 year old.

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by getbak

I'm curious about the potential "hockey trades" that they're talking about.

I assume it would be something where one of Andersson, Hanifin, or Tanev would be packaged with one of the protected forwards and sent to another team for an upgraded forward.

From the perspective of the expansion draft, the forwards would cancel each other out and it would free up a defence protection spot for Gio. The other team would have to have a spare protection spot on defence for something like that to work. I don't know if there are very many teams that have both a forward who would be worth that type of package deal from the Flames and who also has only 2 defencemen worth protecting.


I guess another option would be to move one of those d-men for either a draft pick or a young player who is exempt from the expansion draft.

Maybe it's as simple as one protected defender or Gio for a forward. Then exposing the current 7th forward with the following protected: Monahan, Gaudreau, Lindholm, Tkachuck, Mangiapane and one of Backlund or Dube and the new player.

Also a package of Gio+Dube probably gets you a pretty good player.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by stemit14

The closer we get, the more I think a side deal will be made with Seattle. Everyone says the cost is ridiculously high right now so I’m assuming they are asking for 1st round picks to be persuaded not to draft certain players. If that’s their asking price, I assume the flames are countering with offering a 3rd round pick. If Seattle isn’t too stubborn I’m assuming it ends up being a conditional 2nd round pick. If the flames make it to the 2nd round of the playoffs with giordano playing X amount of games, it becomes a first round pick. If not, it remains a 2nd round pick. A price I’m sure most on this board will not be happy about but that’s where I see it ending up.


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Not happy about is an understatement. BT should be given his walking papers 1 minute after that transpired.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Sure I guess, but do you really see Seattle agreeing to that? Everything we've seen or heard so far is that any deals to not take a certain player are going to be expensive

Nobody even knows if Gio is the player Seattle will take? Probably depends a lot on what’s on every other teams protection list.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Nobody even knows if Gio is the player Seattle will take? Probably depends a lot on what’s on every other teams protection list.

They would take him 100%

No downside

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

They would take him 100%

No downside

Well there is depending on what other big ticket contracts are available and how much cap space they wish to have.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well there is depending on what other big ticket contracts are available and how much cap space they wish to have.

That and if they already have lots of good D to choose from, they might want to go younger, Kylington. Or they may want a veteran center, Ryan. So, if you’re Vegas, a third might be enough come expansion day. Considering they’d still get another asset.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Nobody even knows if Gio is the player Seattle will take? Probably depends a lot on what’s on every other teams protection list.

If the insider has legit info, that would suggest the Flames believe Seattle will take Gio

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by flambers

If the insider has legit info, that would suggest the Flames believe Seattle will take Gio

If I was Francis, I would make the Flames think I was taking Gio even if that wasn’t a certainty. I’m not saying this is what’s happening, but it’s possible.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by getbak

I'm curious about the potential "hockey trades" that they're talking about.

I assume it would be something where one of Andersson, Hanifin, or Tanev would be packaged with one of the protected forwards and sent to another team for an upgraded forward.

From the perspective of the expansion draft, the forwards would cancel each other out and it would free up a defence protection spot for Gio. The other team would have to have a spare protection spot on defence for something like that to work. I don't know if there are very many teams that have both a forward who would be worth that type of package deal from the Flames and who also has only 2 defencemen worth protecting.


I guess another option would be to move one of those d-men for either a draft pick or a young player who is exempt from the expansion draft.

Gio is a short term player so I don't see the the point of trading Andersson, Tanev, Hanafin as I assume the team wants to be competitive in the last year of Sutter's contract. I see it mentioned here a few times that Gio is the Flames best defenseman but that's flat out wrong as Tanev had an amazing season last year and according to Dom Luszczyszyn's metrics was a top 15 overall NHL defenseman last season. There's no guarantee that Gio won't have a major drop off next season and we know that things that can go wrong for this organization usually do so the best course of action is simply to let things play out and if the Kraken take Gio, then move on with almost $7 million in cap space to spend.

[kyuss275]

My biggest concern is what is their plan for when Gio leaves either through expansion or a year or two down the road? As far as I can see it seems to be relying on Gio at 38 not having his game drop anymore than it has. Even if valamaki makes huge strides he is more than a season away from being a top pairing dman . Not much in the system when it comes to top pairing dmen either. I guess Hanifin is young and could take more steps forward but not sure that is a solid plan.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Nobody even knows if Gio is the player Seattle will take? Probably depends a lot on what’s on every other teams protection list.

Only way they don't take Gio is if the Flames do something dumb like Button did on his list, and leave Backlund exposed as well.

If Seattle loves Ryan they likely know they can try to sign him as a Free Agent. Even if he does re-sign here, or go elsewhere, at the end of the day it's a 4th line C. Those aren't hard to find, and there will be a lot available in expansion

[OminousFlames]

I personally think Seattle taking Gio is a win/win for both parties. Love the guy, but this team is not a contender.
I'm hoping these rumours are just a ploy to make Seattle target Gio.

[flambers]

From Seattle perspective, if they believe if they select Gio and they can move him for 1st at the deadline.....

I would think, if the Flames want to work out a deal with Seattle...asking price could be similar.

[Bingo]

The number of people passing judgement with limited information is laughable. Honestly why?

All the comment says is they're talking about it and the prices are too high.

Do you feel he shouldn't look into things ever? Because that's honestly the only way he could avoid the vitriol in this topic.

So silly.

Giordano is still a good defenseman. They hired Sutter to win and right the ship now. If he leaves it's a big hole. He should be fired for not looking into a way to keep the defenseman. Doesn't mean he should do it ultimately, but he has to get a read on what it would take.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Giordano played better under Sutter towards the latter half of his tenure.

However, I don’t want to put too much stock in a season where we only played against 6 other teams.

It would be great if we could keep Gio, but at the same time I value the direction of this team more in a few years. I’d rather we had Tanev/Hanifin/Andersson/Valimaki than trying to pay assets to keep Gio.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Actually Jiri I wanted him fired for many of his transgressions over his 7 year tenure with the team. All this does is reinforce my position.

A comment from a reporter saying the Flames are discussing ways to keep Giordano but the prices too high reinforce what exactly?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bingo

A comment from a reporter saying the Flames are discussing ways to keep Giordano but the prices too high reinforce what exactly?

And the story doesn’t even say the price for keeping Gio in particular is high. It just quotes “other teams” about the prices Seattle is asking in general.