2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[GreenLantern2814]

Just to chime in on Valimaki - disappointing as this year may have been, and though I’m still unsure he’s going to be a star, I think he’s reliably projecting as a solid top-4 D at worst.

Which is more than acceptable from a 16th overall pick.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

I think the two forwards are 2nd line guys - maybe Mangipane can make the jump to being 1st line, but we'll see.... probably not Dube though

Andersson was tracking as a top 2D, though last year wasn't great...Valimaki is still an unknown.

I still stand behind my point that development is not very good and there's nothing in the pipeline that looks to change that. Mangi and Andersson are 2014 draft picks...

Way more ebb than flow

I think development is a different question from drafting/scouting. The latter has been excellent from 2015-17. The former has been a much bigger issue.

We've had Ferland and Mangi emerge from 5th rd or later and grab the bull by the horns. Otherwise, I think there are real questions about:

Monahan - hasn't really become a complete C
Bennett - can-o-worms need not be revisited

Jankowski - largely that he was stapled to Sam which made no sense for either. Clearly there was something here with his 17 and 14g seasons

Andersson - tbd
Dube - tbd

Byron - who needs young depth? Brouwer + Lazar + Neal = assets and cap space that may not have been chased as desperately if we had a guy in his mid 20s performing in the middle 6.

Kulak - who needs young depth? Prout + Fantanberg + Gustafsson + Bort = assets.

Kylington - tbd

Valimaki - mostly injury related...I don't recall Stone's injury timeline, but he'd have been a much better partner than Nesterov (300 mins vs. 140mins with Stone)

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

You appeared to be saying that the Flames were a bad drafting organization because they should be hitting on their top-10 picks and were not doing that. If that wasn't what you meant, I apologize.



Calgary Flames, 2014-15: 16th place in the NHL standings
2015-16: 26th
2016-17: 15th
2017-18: 20th
2018-19: 2nd
2019-20: 19th
2020-21: 20th
Average ranking for those 7 years: 16.85

So no, the Flames have not had ‘an average ranking of 20th’ by the only objective metric.

If instead you mean that their prospect pool has had an average ranking of 20th, well, there you are into predictions, judgement calls, and all the other subjective choices made by the people who compile such lists. Those lists, by definition, are opinion and not reality.

Either way, you don't get to pass off your opinion as reality. Where it can be tested against facts it is incorrect, and where it can only be tested against other people's opinions, frankly, nobody knows just what the reality is or how to measure it in quantitative terms.



And I'm not defending it. I'm making fun of people who claim to be fans, but also hate every decision the team makes and want to catastrophize everything. If I had an extra dollar for every time I've read the phrase ‘Treliving should be fired immediately’ on this board, I wouldn't have to worry about my bills for a considerable time to come.

You appeared to be saying that the Flames were a bad drafting organization because they should be hitting on their top-10 picks and were not doing that. If that wasn't what you meant, I apologize.

no worries - i didn't think I was saying anything offensive, simply that drafting in the top ten should not be weighted heavily as most of those guys weren't diamonds in the rough or anything...Bennett, Tkachuk and Monahan were the guys that were expected to go at that pick...now if they had grabbed Pasturnak way early, then you'd have to give them credit.

I don't think the team has been drafting that well, as stated....until we start seeing guys on the ice that are top 6 rather than bottom 6 this organization will continue to struggle...and at this point, its my opinion that's where the prospect pool lies.

Either way, you don't get to pass off your opinion as reality. Where it can be tested against facts it is incorrect, and where it can only be tested against other people's opinions, frankly, nobody knows just what the reality is or how to measure it in quantitative terms.

I think I qualified my opinion as opinion with respect to the prospects, and suggested that there's still a chance that Mangiapane and Andersson could still become top line players

Average ranking for those 7 years: 16.85

I pulled that from an article linked earlier, so I concede that I should have verified that rather than relying on a post... that said, one outlier season pulls that average ranking a lot higher than the median ranking.

I think everyone has a line in the sand - going into year 8, I think i've reached my limit. Frankly, I hadn't been on the fire Treliving wagon until this season - I liked the offseason signings last year and stated as much and was pretty positive about the team, though I didn't like the hiring of Ward.

Unfortunately, things didn't work out, and I am not so optimistic about what's in the cupboard that makes me think this management group is going to turn things around.

[stang]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

And exactly where is Edmonton getting over $5M in cap to pay Andersen? You guys can't afford him.

16 mill when Klef is on LTIR, 19 with Koski buyout.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by stang

16 mill when Klef is on LTIR, 19 with Koski buyout.

Already forgot Keith carving 5.5M into that space?? CapFriendly shows 11.5M in space right now

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Flames actually have been a good drafting team outside the first round in the last 13 years. Carolina and Tampa are hands down the best but the flames rank right up there.

No, they really don't. Here are the facts behind the Flames draft success outside of the first round over the past 13 years, compared to every other team in the league. To eliminate a bunch if noise and who who was picking players that were more than a call-up for a game or two, the low-water mark is 40 games played.

Since 2008 teams have had the following success in finding players who played a total of more than 40 NHL games. This is including picks up to, and including the 2020 draft, a condition (fairly or unfairly) applied to all teams. So here the success of each team.

Anaheim - 72 picks, 20 players with more than 40 games (.277 batting average)

2nd round picks (17) - Eric O'Dell, Justin Schultz, Devante Smith-Pelly, John Gibson, William Karlsson, Marcus Pettersson, Brandon Montour, Maxim Comtois
3rd round picks (14) - Brandon MacMillan, Joseph Camarossa, Andy Welinski, Fredrick Andersen, Josh Mahura
4th round picks (10) - Sami Vatanen
5th round picks (13) - Chris Wagner, Tim Heed, Troy Terry
6th round picks (11) - Josh Manson
7th round picks (7) - Jaycob Megna, Ondej Kase

Boston - 65 picks, 14 players with more than 40 games (.215 batting average)

2nd round picks (13) - Ryan Lindgren, Brandon Carlo, Jeremy Lauzon, Ryan Donato, Ryan Spooner
3rd round picks (9) - Peter Cerliak, Matt Grzelcyk, Michael Hutchinson
4th round picks (9) - Danton Heinen, Craig Cunningham
5th round picks (10) - Anders Bjork, Seth Griffith
6th round picks (12) - Matt Benning
7th round picks (12) - Zach Trotman

Buffalo - 77 picks, 14 players with more than 40 games (.181 batting average)

2nd round picks (14) - Rasmus Asplund, Brendan Guhle, Brendan Lemieux, JT Compher, Justin Bailey, Jake McCabe, Luke Adam
3rd round picks (13) - Nick Baptiste, Brayden McNabb
4th round picks (11) - Marcus Foligno
5th round picks (15) - Cal Petersen
6th round picks (10) - Brandon Hagel, Linus Ulmark
7th round picks (14) - Victor Olofsson

Calgary - 69 picks, 12 players with more than 40 games (.173 batting average)

2nd round picks (10) - Dillion Dube, Rasmus Anderson, Oliver Kylington, Markus Granlund
3rd round picks (11) - Adam Fox, Lance Bouma
4th round picks (14) - Brett Kulak, Johnny Gaudreau, TJ Brodie
5th round picks (9) - Micheal Ferland
6th round picks (12) - Andrew Mangiapane, Laurent Brossoit
7th round picks (13) - None

Carolina - 83 picks, 17 players with more than 40 games (.204 batting average)

2nd round picks (17) - Eetu Luostarinen, Janne Kuokkanen, Sebastian Aho, Phil Di Giuseppe, Brock McGinn, Victor Rask, Justin Faulk, Brian Dumoulin, Zac Dalpe
3rd round picks (16) - Warren Foegele, Brett Pesce
4th round picks (16) - Nicolas Roy, Lucas Wallmark, Jaccob Slavin, Michal Jordan
5th round picks (8) - None
6th round picks (14) - None
7th round picks (12) - Steven Lorentz, Frederik Andersen

Chicago - 85 picks, 17 players with more than 40 games (.200 batting average)

2nd round picks (16) - Carl Dahlstrom, Adam Clendening, Brandon Saad, Justin Holl, Stephen Johns, Brandon Pirri
3rd round picks (17) - John Hayden, Klas Dahlbeck, Joakim Nordstrom
4th round picks (15) - Philipp Kurashev, Tyler Motte, Byron Froese
5th round picks (14) - Andrew Shaw, Marcus Kruger
6th round picks (17) - Dylan Sikura, Vinny Hinostroza, Ben Smith
7th round picks (16) - None

Colorado - 74 picks, 10 players with more than 40 games (.135 batting average)

2nd round picks (12) - Chris Bigras, Calvin Pickard, Ryan O'Reilly, Stefan Elliott
3rd round picks (12) - Michael Bournival, Tyson Barrie
4th round picks (12) - None
5th round picks (14) - Anton Lindholm, Will Butcher, Mark Olver
6th round picks (13) - Joseph Blandisi
7th round picks (12) - None

Columbus - 72 picks, 19 players with more than 40 games (.263 batting average)

2nd round picks (13) - Alexandre Texier, Kevin Stenlund, Boone Jenner, Cody Goloubef
3rd round picks (10) - Keegan Kolesar, Elvis Merzlikins, Oliver Bjorkstrand, Joonas Korpisalo
4th round picks (13) - Emil Bemstrom, Josh Anderson, Mike Reilly, David Savard
5th round picks (11) - Matt Calvert
6th round picks (13) - Vladislav Gavrikov, Lukas Sedlak, Dalton Prout, Cam Atkinson
7th round picks (12) - Markus Nutivaara, Anton Forsberg

Dallas - 69 picks, 16 players with more than 40 games (.231 batting average)

2nd round picks (13) - Jason Robertson, Roope Hintz, Remi Elie, Devin Shore, Brett Ritchie, Patrik Nemeth, Alex Chiasson
3rd round picks (8) - Esa Lindell, Reilly Smith
4th round picks (13) - Nick Paul, Gemel Smith
5th round picks (16) - John Klingberg, Tomas Vincour, Philip Larsen
6th round picks (12) - Curtis McKenzie
7th round picks (7) - Jyrki Jokipakka

Detroit - 95 picks, 19 players with more than 40 games (.200 batting average) Detoit has had 33 picks in the past three drafts and no players eligible yet.

2nd round picks (19) - Filip Hronek, Tyler Bertuzzi, Martin Frk, Tomas Jurco, Xavier Ouellet, Ryan Sproul, Calle Jarnkrok, Landon Ferraro, Tomas Tatar
3rd round picks (19) - Mattias Janmark-Nylen, Alan Quine, Andrej Nestrasil
4th round picks (13) - Christoffer Ehn, Andreas Athanasiou, Teemu Pulkkinen, Gustav Nyquist
5th round picks (13) - Petr Mrazek, Nick Jensen
6th round picks (15) -
7th round picks (16) - Alexey Marchenko

Edmonton - 79 picks, 12 players with more than 40 games (.151 batting average)

2nd round picks (10) - Tyler Pitlick, Martin Marincin, Anton Lander
3rd round picks (15) - Anton Slepyshev, Jujhar Khaira
4th round picks (16) - Caleb Jones, Erik Gustafsson, Tobias Rieder
5th round picks (13) - Ethan Bear
6th round picks (12) - John Marino, Brandon Davidson, Teemu Hartikainen
7th round picks (13) -

Florida - 86 picks, 22 players with more than 40 games (.255 batting average)

2nd round picks (15) - Jayce Hawryluk, Ian McCoshen, Rocco Grimaldi, Alexander Petrovic, Connor Brickley, Jacob Markstrom, Colby Robak
3rd round picks (18) - Juho Lammikko, Vincent Trocheck, Logan Shaw, Kyle Rau, Drew Shore
4th round picks (16) - Riley Stillman, Denis Malgin, Joonas Donskoi, Garrett Wilson
5th round picks (11) - Zach Hyman, Corban Knight
6th round picks (14) - Josh Brown
7th round picks (12) - MacKenzie Weegar, Iiro Pakarinen, Matt Bartkowski

LA Kings - 84 picks, 25 players with more than 40 games (.297 batting average)

2nd round picks (15) - Jaret Anderson-Dolan, Erik Cernak, Valentin Zykov, Tyler Toffoli, Kyle Clifford, Vyacheslav Voynov
3rd round picks (14) - Mike Amadio, Andy Andreoff, Nick Shore, Jordan Weal, Nicolas Deslauriers, Andrew Campbell
4th round picks (15) - Michael Anderson, Austin Wagner, Nikolay Prokhorkin, Linden Vey
5th round picks (15) - Jonny Brodzinski, Colin Miller, Kevin Gravel, Andrei Loktionov
6th round picks (12) - Paul Ladue
7th round picks (13) - Matt Roy, Dominik Kubalik, Jordan Nolan, Nic Dowd

Minnesota - 72 picks, 12 players with more than 40 games (.166 batting average)

2nd round picks (12) - Jordan Greenway, Gustav Olofsson, Johan Larsson, Jason Zucker, Marco Scandella
3rd round picks (10) - Kurtis Gabriel
4th round picks (10) - None
5th round picks (11) - Kirill Kaprizov, Carson Soucy, Nick Seeler
6th round picks (14) - Darcy Kuemper
7th round picks (15) - Tyler Graovac, Erik Haula

Montreal - 81 picks, 10 players with more than 40 games (.123 batting average)

2nd round picks (14) - Alexander Romanov, Jacob De La Rose, Artturi Lehkonen
3rd round picks (15) - Cale Fleury, Sven Andrighetto
4th round picks (15) - Victor Mete
5th round picks (16) - Charles Hudon, Brendan Gallagher, Gabriel Dumont
6th round picks (9) -
7th round picks (12) - Jake Evans

Nashville - 85 picks, 18 players with more than 40 games (.211 batting average)

2nd round picks (14) - Samuel Girard, Yakov Trenin, Vladislav Kamenev, Viktor Arvidsson, Pontus Aberg, Colton Sissons, Miikka Salomaki, Roman Josi
3rd round picks (12) - Jimmy Vesey, Brendan Leipsic, Taylor Beck, Michael Latta
4th round picks (17) - Juuse Saros, Craig Smith, Mattias Ekholm
5th round picks (13) - Gabriel Bourque
6th round picks (14) - Anthony Bitetto
7th round picks (15) - Anders Lindback

New Jersey - 82 picks, 17 players with more than 40 games (.207 batting average)

2nd round picks (11) - Jesper Boqvist, Nathan Bastian, Mackenzie Blackwood, Damon Severson, Eric Gelinas, Patrice Cormier
3rd round picks (16) - Joey Anderson, Blake Coleman, Scott Wedgewood, Adam Henrique
4th round picks (15) - Miles Wood, Reid Boucher, Seth Helgeson
5th round picks (14) - Yegor Sharangovich, Alexander Kerfoot
6th round picks (14) - Jesper Bratt, Brett Seney
7th round picks (12) - None

NY Islanders - 74 picks, 15 players with more than 40 games (.200 batting average)

2nd round picks (11) - Scott Mayfield, Mikko Koskinen, Aaron Ness, Travis Hamonic
3rd round picks (15) - Adam Pelech, Anders Nilsson
4th round picks (13) - Devon Toews, Casey Cizikas, Matt Donovan, David Ullstrom
5th round picks (13) - Kevin Poulin, Matt Martin
6th round picks (11) - Alan Quine, Anders Lee, Jared Spurgeon
7th round picks (11) -

NY Rangers - 73 picks, 9 players with more than 40 games (.123 batting average)

2nd round picks (10) - Cristoval "Boo" Nieves, Derek Stepan
3rd round picks (16) - Pavel Buchnevich, Anthony Duclair
4th round picks (13) - Igor Shesterkin, Ryan Graves, Dale Weise
5th round picks (15) - Roman Horak
6th round picks (11) - Jesper Fast
7th round picks (8) -

Ottawa Senators - 72 picks, 22 players with more than 40 games (.305 batting average)

2nd round picks (15) - Filip Chlapik, Shane Prince, Jakob Silfverberg, Robin Lehner, Patrick Wiercioch
3rd round picks (7) - Marcus Hogberg, Zack Smith
4th round picks (15) - Drake Batherson, Christian Wolanin, Ben Harpur, Jean-Gabriel Pageau, Marcus Sorensen, Chris Wideman, Derek Grant
5th round picks (11) - Max Lajoie, Christian Jaros, Fredrik Claesson, Mike Hoffman, Mark Borowiecki
6th round picks (12) - Max McCormick, Mark Stone
7th round picks (13) - Ryan Dzingel

Philadelphia - 81 picks, 11 players with more than 40 games (.135 batting average)

2nd round picks (10) - Carter Hart, Nicolas Aube-Kubel, Robert Hagg
3rd round picks (14) - Shayne Gostisbehere, Nick Cousins, Michael Chaput, Marc-Andre Bourdon
4th round picks (16) - Taylor Leier, Tye McGinn
5th round picks (13) - Oskar Lindblom
6th round picks (15) - Zac Rinaldo
7th round picks (13) -

Phoenix - 83 picks, 10 players with more than 40 games (.120 batting average)

2nd round picks (12) - Christian Fischer, Christian Dvorak, Jordan Martinook, Oscar Lindberg
3rd round picks (18) - Adin Hill, Michael Stone
4th round picks (11) - Jordan Szwarz
5th round picks (12) - Conor Garland, Connor Clifton, Louis Domingue
6th round picks (11) -
7th round picks (14) -

Pittsburgh - 65 picks, 14 players with more than 40 games (.215 batting average)

2nd round picks (11) - Daniel Sprong, Tristan Jarry, Teddy Blueger, Scott Harrington
3rd round picks (9) - Jake Guentzel, Oskar Sundqvist, Matt Murray, Bryan Rust
4th round picks (9) - Sam Lafferty, Tom Kuhnhackl
5th round picks (14) - Dominik Simon, Kenny Agostino
6th round picks (14) - Josh Archibald
7th round picks (8) - Scott Wilson

San Jose - 78 picks, 15 players with more than 40 games (.192 batting average)

2nd round picks (14) - Mario Ferraro, Dylan Gambrell, Chris Tierney
3rd round picks (8) - None
4th round picks (11) - Noah Gregor
5th round picks (13) - Rudolfs Balcers, Sean Kuraly, Freddie Hamilton, Philip Varone
6th round picks (14) - John Leonard, Kevin Labanc, Dylan DeMelo, Tommy Wingels
7th round picks (18) - Joakim Ryan, Colin Blackwell, Jason Demers

St. Louis - 80 picks, 16 players with more than 40 games (.200 batting average)

2nd round picks (17) - Jordan Kyrou, Vince Dunn, Ivan Barbashev, William Carrier, Ty Rattie, Dmitrij Jaskin, Joel Edmundson, Jake Allen
3rd round picks (12) - Mackenzie MacEachern, Colton Parayko, Jordan Binnington, Jori Lehtera
4th round picks (14) - Jani Hakanpaa, David Warsofsky
5th round picks (13) - None
6th round picks (12) - Sammy Blais, Petteri Lindbohm
7th round picks (12) - None

Tampa - 86 picks, 20 players with more than 40 games (.232 batting average)

2nd round picks (16) - Alexander Volkov, Libor Hajek, Mitchell Stephens, Adam Erne, Nikita Kucherov, Richard Panik
3rd round picks (14) - Anthony Cirelli, Brayden Point, Nikita Nesterov, Radko Gudas
4th round picks (12) - Mathieu Joseph, Cedric Paquette, James Wright
5th round picks (9) - Dustin Tokarski
6th round picks (17) - Jake Dotchin, Mark Barberio, Luke Witkowski
7th round picks (18) - Nikita Gusev, Matthew Peca, Ondrej Palat

Toronto - 90 picks, 14 players with more than 40 games (.155 batting average)

2nd round picks (13) - Carl Grundstrom, Travis Dermott, Jimmy Hayes
3rd round picks (14) - Carter Verhaeghe, Joshua Leivo, Greg McKegg
4th round picks (14) - Petter Granberg
5th round picks (16) - Dmytro Timashov, Dominic Toninato, Connor Brown, Sam Carrick, Greg Pateryn
6th round picks (16) -
7th round picks (17) - Pierre Engvall, Andreas Johnsson

Vancouver - 68 picks, 8 players with more than 40 games (.117 batting average)

2nd round picks (8) - Nils Hoglander, Thatcher Demko
3rd round picks (10) - Nikita Tryamkin, Kevin Connauton
4th round picks (10) - None
5th round picks (13) - Adam Gaudette, Gustav Forsling, Ben Hutton, Frankie Corrado
6th round picks (12) - None
7th round picks (15) - None

Washington - 69 picks, 11 players with more than 40 games (.159 batting average)

2nd round picks (10) - Jonas Siegenthaler, Madison Bowey, Zach Sanford, Dmitri Orlov
3rd round picks (9) - Chandler Stephenson, Cody Eakin
4th round picks (16) - Philipp Grubauer, Braden Holtby
5th round picks (8) - Connor Carrick
6th round picks (14) - Travis Boyd
7th round picks (12) - Christian Djoos

Winnipeg/Atlanta - 76 picks, 11 players with more than 40 games (.144 batting average)

2nd round picks (10) - Jansen Harkins, Nicolas Petan, Jeremy Morin
3rd round picks (12) - Adam Lowry
4th round picks (13) - Andrew Copp, Ben Chiarot
5th round picks (15) - Tucker Poolman, Connor Hellebuyck
6th round picks (13) - Mason Appleton
7th round picks (13) - Sami Niku, Zach Redmond

While the Flames draft record is second amongst Canadian teams, they rank 20th out of 30 teams (Vegas is not included for obvious reasons). Not great. Not even average. A very long way away from the best (OTT @ .305) and being amongst the best in the game.

[GioforPM]

^^ number of games is a pretty good criteria, but it’s not the most important, and 40 is a pretty arbitrary cutoff. Quality of the player is a bigger one. There’s a pretty big gap between Tucker Poolman and Connor Hellebuyck. And Calgary’s NHLers are pretty significant ones for the most part, except Kylington, Granlund and Bouma.

[Lanny_McDonald]

40 games. Half a season. Didn't think that was arbitrary at all. What it did was weed out the players who got a cup of coffee or rewarded for good AHL play by being on the roster or appearing in two or three games. Playing half a season is a decent contribution and a fair bar to get over. For example, it eliminated 11 "future hall of famers" from the Oilers list because they didn't play enough games. Made it about sticking to some extent.

[stang]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Already forgot Keith carving 5.5M into that space?? CapFriendly shows 11.5M in space right now

Because klefbom isn’t on LTIR. It’s off season.


Edit:
Put him on LTIR and it goes to 15.6.
Buyout Neal and its 19.5
Buyout Koski and its 22.5

Put Turris, Broberg and Lagesson down and its now just over 25 mil.

Smith at 2, Anderson at 5, Hall at 6, Hamilton at 8 and there’s still space left over. Not saying any of that will happen, but there’s space for Anderson at 5 mil if needed.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

40 games. Half a season. Didn't think that was arbitrary at all. What it did was weed out the players who got a cup of coffee or rewarded for good AHL play by being on the roster or appearing in two or three games. Playing half a season is a decent contribution and a fair bar to get over. For example, it eliminated 11 "future hall of famers" from the Oilers list because they didn't play enough games. Made it about sticking to some extent.

I’d say you need to play a full season. Anyway, you’ve now classified a 40 gamers as equal to a 300 gamer for your batting average purposes.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I’d say you need to play a full season. Anyway, you’ve now classified a 40 gamers as equal to a 300 gamer for your batting average purposes.

That's why I prefer using the metric of total NHL games played, rather than assigning an equal value to every player who reaches some threshold or other. Even that metric understates the value of the top players, but at least it doesn't pretend that they are no better than the tweeners who played some number of games but never rose above 4th line or #6 D. A partial correction is better than an uncorrected error.

[powderjunkie]

That is an awesome breakdown, and would allow some further analysis.

The problem with an overall batting average is that 7th and 2nd rd picks are weighted the same. Generally it comes out in the wash, but a few teams are pretty skewed:

ANA had 17 2nds, 14 3rds, vs. 11 6ths and 7 7ths

On the flip side, WAS had 19 2nd/3rds vs. 26 6th/7ths; VAN 18 vs. 27; SJ 22 vs. 32;

FLA 33 vs. 26; DET 38 vs. 31; CAR 33 vs. 26; (ANA 31 vs. 18).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

That's why I prefer using the metric of total NHL games played, rather than assigning an equal value to every player who reaches some threshold or other. Even that metric understates the value of the top players, but at least it doesn't pretend that they are no better than the tweeners who played some number of games but never rose above 4th line or #6 D. A partial correction is better than an uncorrected error.

That would make sense. Team X has drafted ___ man-games. If you want you can eliminate any players under a certain game level.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by stang

Because klefbom isn’t on LTIR. It’s off season.


Edit:
Put him on LTIR and it goes to 15.6.
Buyout Neal and its 19.5
Buyout Koski and its 22.5

Put Turris, Broberg and Lagesson down and its now just over 25 mil.

Smith at 2, Anderson at 5, Hall at 6, Hamilton at 8 and there’s still space left over. Not saying any of that will happen, but there’s space for Anderson at 5 mil if needed.

Of course you are thinking all of that will happen, it is an Oiler tradition to think they will sign all the big fish and then turn the corner every offseason. We all know how this story actually ends.

[guzzy]

Originally Posted by stang

Because klefbom isn’t on LTIR. It’s off season.


Edit:
Put him on LTIR and it goes to 15.6.
Buyout Neal and its 19.5
Buyout Koski and its 22.5

Put Turris, Broberg and Lagesson down and its now just over 25 mil.

Smith at 2, Anderson at 5, Hall at 6, Hamilton at 8 and there’s still space left over. Not saying any of that will happen, but there’s space for Anderson at 5 mil if needed.

Hamilton would never sign in Edmonton. I don't think he would sign with any Canadian team. I would be surprised if he leaves Carolina.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by guzzy

Hamilton would never sign in Edmonton. I don't think he would sign with any Canadian team. I would be surprised if he leaves Carolina.

Yeah, things are going great for Hamilton in Carolina, so I don't see why Hamilton would want to sign with an awful Oilers team in a dumpy Edmonton city.

The Hurricanes should do what they can to keep both Hamilton and Ned.

[stang]

Originally Posted by guzzy

Hamilton would never sign in Edmonton. I don't think he would sign with any Canadian team. I would be surprised if he leaves Carolina.

I agree. I should have put Barrie there instead. It was just to make a point.

[blender]

Originally Posted by stang

I agree. I should have put Barrie there instead. It was just to make a point.

Agree. As long as Barrie is there for 8m, it's all good!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by stang

Because klefbom isn’t on LTIR. It’s off season.


Edit:
Put him on LTIR and it goes to 15.6.
Buyout Neal and its 19.5
Buyout Koski and its 22.5

Put Turris, Broberg and Lagesson down and its now just over 25 mil.

Smith at 2, Anderson at 5, Hall at 6, Hamilton at 8 and there’s still space left over. Not saying any of that will happen, but there’s space for Anderson at 5 mil if needed.

CF is showing him on LTIR for 21-22.

[dissentowner]

Oilers should give Yandle 6x6.