07-14-2021, 01:14 PM
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#481
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by transplant99
Protect Gawdin over Backlund?
OK then.
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Zainullin for Savard. Enough said.
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07-14-2021, 01:15 PM
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#482
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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I assume Button is using the exposure rules and the Flames' current contract situation and exposing Backlund because two signed veteran forwards have to be exposed.
Until they sign someone else who meets the requirements, Backlund has to be the odd man out.
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07-14-2021, 01:18 PM
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#483
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Thunder Bay Ontario
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Expose Taney instead. Give them a better options instead of giving up assets. Just ask them who they realistically want and see if you can make a deal. Or just expose what makes sense and play the hand you're dealt.
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07-14-2021, 01:26 PM
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#484
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by Jay Random
Again with the lazy ‘worst division in hockey’ narrative.
Winning percentage of the 7 Canadian teams in 2019-20, playing in their normal divisions: .542
Winning percentage of the 7 Canadian teams in 2020-21, playing in ‘the worst division in hockey’ so none of them ever had to play against a good team: .545
Some difference. Some worst.
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Interesting. If you believe the North Division was not the worst division in the NHL in 2021 can you elaborate here and let us know what NHL division produced a worse group of four teams to make the playoffs?
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07-14-2021, 01:36 PM
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#485
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Franchise Player
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If Backlund is exposed the Kraken do not hesitate to pick him. He’d likely be their #1 C on opening night.
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07-14-2021, 01:44 PM
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#486
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First Line Centre
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I am wondering who Seattle will pick from the Oilers? Of course the Oilers want them to pick Neal or Kassian or Koskinen for cap relief. But I really hope that Seattle will pick some scrub making league minimum like a Devin Shaw or Stalock just to keep the Oils in cap jail...
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07-14-2021, 01:51 PM
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#487
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First Line Centre
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Kassian?? Core piece Kassian according to newly acquired Keith
Cant expose him
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07-14-2021, 01:52 PM
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#488
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by neo45
People keep saying Tampa followed the rules but they really didn’t
Healthy players have to come off the injured reserve. Doesn’t matter if it’s on the very last day of the regular season
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No, there is no such rule.
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07-14-2021, 01:53 PM
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#489
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by transplant99
Protect Gawdin over Backlund?
OK then.
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Completely explains why he never found another job in the NHL.
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07-14-2021, 01:54 PM
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#490
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Interesting. If you believe the North Division was not the worst division in the NHL in 2021 can you elaborate here and let us know what NHL division produced a worse group of four teams to make the playoffs?
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Those are two different questions. The North Division did not have a team in the top five in the NHL. It also didn't have a team in the bottom five. So the top four teams were not as good as the top four teams in the other divisions, but the bottom three teams were not as bad as the non-playoff teams in the other divisions. I believe they call this phenomenon ‘parity’.
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07-14-2021, 05:55 PM
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#491
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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07-14-2021, 06:30 PM
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#492
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay Random
Those are two different questions. The North Division did not have a team in the top five in the NHL. It also didn't have a team in the bottom five. So the top four teams were not as good as the top four teams in the other divisions, but the bottom three teams were not as bad as the non-playoff teams in the other divisions. I believe they call this phenomenon ‘parity’.
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I believe the phenomenon is called 'goal posts moved'.
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07-14-2021, 06:38 PM
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#493
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
I believe the phenomenon is called 'goal posts moved'.
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No. The goalposts are exactly where they always were. You just want to be playing your game in a different place.
If the North Division were really worse than the others, you would expect that to show either (a) in lower than average winning percentages by the North Division teams when they had to play against other opponents, or (b) in a significant increase in their winning percentages when they no longer had to play other opponents, or both. Neither (a) nor (b) is true. I therefore conclude that there is no evidence that the North was worse than the other divisions.
If anyone has moved the goalposts, it is you. You started by saying the division as a whole was worse, and then shifted your ground to claim that it should be judged solely by the records of the top four teams.
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07-14-2021, 07:15 PM
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#494
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by Jay Random
No. The goalposts are exactly where they always were. You just want to be playing your game in a different place.
If the North Division were really worse than the others, you would expect that to show either (a) in lower than average winning percentages by the North Division teams when they had to play against other opponents, or (b) in a significant increase in their winning percentages when they no longer had to play other opponents, or both. Neither (a) nor (b) is true. I therefore conclude that there is no evidence that the North was worse than the other divisions.
If anyone has moved the goalposts, it is you. You started by saying the division as a whole was worse, and then shifted your ground to claim that it should be judged solely by the records of the top four teams.
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It was the worst division in the NHL this season. If you disagree please tell me which one was worse. Stop playing games.
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07-14-2021, 07:16 PM
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#495
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
It was the worst division in the NHL this season. If you disagree please tell me which one was worse. Stop playing games.
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It's a meaningless question. Show me the results of those teams playing games against each other (not just the four that happened to make the third round of the playoffs), and I'll tell you which ones were better or worse.
There are no data to justify ANY conclusion. That's why I am not drawing any conclusion. Why the hell are you?
Go ahead, show me what makes the North Division the worst. So far, all you've got is ‘Because I say so’. I call BS.
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07-14-2021, 08:15 PM
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#496
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay Random
No. The goalposts are exactly where they always were. You just want to be playing your game in a different place.
If the North Division were really worse than the others, you would expect that to show either (a) in lower than average winning percentages by the North Division teams when they had to play against other opponents, or (b) in a significant increase in their winning percentages when they no longer had to play other opponents, or both. Neither (a) nor (b) is true. I therefore conclude that there is no evidence that the North was worse than the other divisions.
If anyone has moved the goalposts, it is you. You started by saying the division as a whole was worse, and then shifted your ground to claim that it should be judged solely by the records of the top four teams.
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No, you're wrong here.
The average winning percentage, league wide, is about .540 (due to 3 point games). When teams play only within their own division, their average winning percentage will be about .540 (because they are always playing each other, and there is always a winner and a loser).
If you put the 8 best teams in the league in a division, and they only played each other, they would end up with an average winning percentage of about .540. If you put the 8 worst teams in the league and they only played each other, they would also have an average winning percentage of about .540.
Suggesting the division was not weak, based on the winning percentage, is just flat out wrong - the percentage proves neither good nor bad, it only proves what we already know, that, with 3 point games, the average winning percentage league-wide (or division-wide in a closed schedule) continues to be about .540
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07-14-2021, 08:27 PM
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#497
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Actually, looking at the numbers, winning percentages were a little lower than .540 this year. The divisions come out as follows:
East....: .519 (50 OT games)
Central: .530 (61 OT games)
West...: .518 (49 OT games)
North..: .508 (only 35 OT games, normalized to 40 vs 8-team divisions))
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07-14-2021, 08:28 PM
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#498
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The North had the lowest percentage because they had the fewest 3 pt games. But these stats prove nothing, positively or negatively, about the strength of the divisions,
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07-14-2021, 08:30 PM
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#499
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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Said in the other thread, the Flames report the same for Gio. Bring in Dr Nick Riviera if need be to vouch for it
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07-14-2021, 09:48 PM
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#500
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
No, you're wrong here.
The average winning percentage, league wide, is about .540 (due to 3 point games). When teams play only within their own division, their average winning percentage will be about .540 (because they are always playing each other, and there is always a winner and a loser).
If you put the 8 best teams in the league in a division, and they only played each other, they would end up with an average winning percentage of about .540. If you put the 8 worst teams in the league and they only played each other, they would also have an average winning percentage of about .540.
Suggesting the division was not weak, based on the winning percentage, is just flat out wrong - the percentage proves neither good nor bad, it only proves what we already know, that, with 3 point games, the average winning percentage league-wide (or division-wide in a closed schedule) continues to be about .540
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That's not what I said at all.
The 7 Canadian teams had a winning percentage of .542 in 2019-20, playing in their regular divisions. In other words, collectively they were dead average in that year. They gained no extra benefit by not having to play any U.S. teams. Therefore, the North Division was close enough to average that the difference amounts to statistical noise.
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Suggesting the division was not weak, based on the winning percentage, is just flat out wrong - the percentage proves neither good nor bad, it only proves what we already know, that, with 3 point games, the average winning percentage league-wide (or division-wide in a closed schedule) continues to be about .540
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I am suggesting the division was not weak based on those teams' winning percentage in their regular divisions in 2019-20.
Are we all clear now?
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