Seattle Expansion Draft Speculation

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

With who?

I mentioned it in another thread but if Edler makes it to free agency then I do think the Flames sign him. They were after him before and have since added some ex teammates who I can assume were good friends.

I think that deal would be a talent downgrade but would likely chew up less than half of the 6.75M and allow for flexibility to trade or sign for a top 6 winger

Hanifin gets the keys as #1LHD

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I mentioned it in another thread but if Edler makes it to free agency then I do think the Flames sign him. They were after him before and have since added some ex teammates who I can assume were good friends.

I think that deal would be a talent downgrade but would likely chew up less than half of the 6.75M and allow for flexibility to trade or sign for a top 6 winger

Hanifin gets the keys as #1LHD

Yeah, I've thought Edler would be a good signing (but he's not on the same level as Gio) - but this whole buyout thing seems like a slam dunk, no?

Buyout Gio, re-sign after the expansion - and sign Edler in free agency.

Giordano - Tanev
Hanifin - Andersson
Valimaki - Edler
Mackey

It's a creative way to improve the team.

[shutout]

From a cap and a contracts point of view the NHL would not have a problem with the Giordano scenarios talked about above.

But in terms of trying to circumvent the expansion draft rules the league would not allow the Flames to resign Giordano. The league has already stated that they are reviewing all transactions to make sure that it is done above board and not to get around the rules.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

With who?

Whoever really. Hell I'd be happy to spend it on a RW actually.

I'm quite comfortable with Tanev-Hanifin as our top pair

Andersson - Valimaki may struggle a bit but they should be able to handle 2nd pair.

But Andersson, Valimaki, Mackey, Kylington. A few of them gotta step up.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by shutout

From a cap and a contracts point of view the NHL would not have a problem with the Giordano scenarios talked about above.

But in terms of trying to circumvent the expansion draft rules the league would not allow the Flames to resign Giordano. The league has already stated that they are reviewing all transactions to make sure that it is done above board and not to get around the rules.

Buyout Giordano and then don't sign him again until just before training camp. Mark was "contemplating retirement". It seems pretty easy to get around any league investigation.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

They just missed the playoffs in the worst division in hockey with him. He's likely to be gradually worse than he was last season so IMO I'm not sure it matters much either way really. I'm sure Treliving would use the $6.75 million in free cap space to bring in talent that either helps replace Gio or fortifies the top 6 forward group. In fact I think they can be better providing they use that extra cap space wisely.

Again with the lazy ‘worst division in hockey’ narrative.

Winning percentage of the 7 Canadian teams in 2019-20, playing in their normal divisions: .542

Winning percentage of the 7 Canadian teams in 2020-21, playing in ‘the worst division in hockey’ so none of them ever had to play against a good team: .545

Some difference. Some worst.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Buyout Giordano and then don't sign him again until just before training camp. Mark was "contemplating retirement". It seems pretty easy to get around any league investigation.

If some doofus on a message board is smart enough to come up with the idea, then even the doofuses with law degrees at NHL head office are smart enough to figure it out.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

If some doofus on a message board is smart enough to come up with the idea, then even the doofuses with law degrees at NHL head office are smart enough to figure it out.

The NHL is aware of all kinds of cap-circumvention that occurs every year - and especially this year - they let it happen anyways.


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[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by stemit14

The NHL is aware of all kinds of cap-circumvention that occurs every year - and especially this year - they let it happen anyways.

You're talking about Tampa Bay? They followed the rules to the letter. If you don't like it, you can call for different rules, but those rules were put in place because every single owner in the NHL wants the option of going over the cap in the playoffs if he has a contender.

Incidentally, ‘Mark was contemplating retirement’ is the most idiotic possible reason to buy a player out. If he retires, his entire cap hit disappears with no buyout needed. A four-year-old child wouldn't be fooled.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Buyout Giordano and then don't sign him again until just before training camp. Mark was "contemplating retirement". It seems pretty easy to get around any league investigation.

If a bunch of teams contact Gio while he’s a UFA and then he signs with Calgary for less than they were offering it is a pretty easy conclusion to draw that there was a handshake deal.

And I suppose there’s a risk he changes his mind and signs elsewhere in which case you lose him, and don’t get the full cap release that expansion would have given.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Buyout Giordano and then don't sign him again until just before training camp. Mark was "contemplating retirement". It seems pretty easy to get around any league investigation.

Buying out Gio is an awful idea, he has got one year left!! No reason to take any additional cap hit beyond this year. The Flames are not winning anything next year anyways, get through this year, maybe they can trade him with salary retained at the deadline, and his contract is off the books. And only one more year for Lucic. The Flames are in a pretty good spot cap wise, piling a buy out in there would be a mistake.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

You're talking about Tampa Bay? They followed the rules to the letter. If you don't like it, you can call for different rules, but those rules were put in place because every single owner in the NHL wants the option of going over the cap in the playoffs if he has a contender.

Incidentally, ‘Mark was contemplating retirement’ is the most idiotic possible reason to buy a player out. If he retires, his entire cap hit disappears with no buyout needed. A four-year-old child wouldn't be fooled.

People keep saying Tampa followed the rules but they really didn’t

Healthy players have to come off the injured reserve. Doesn’t matter if it’s on the very last day of the regular season

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

You're talking about Tampa Bay? They followed the rules to the letter. If you don't like it, you can call for different rules, but those rules were put in place because every single owner in the NHL wants the option of going over the cap in the playoffs if he has a contender.

Incidentally, ‘Mark was contemplating retirement’ is the most idiotic possible reason to buy a player out. If he retires, his entire cap hit disappears with no buyout needed. A four-year-old child wouldn't be fooled.

And the flames would be following the rules to the letter as well. There is a lot of subjectivity in the NHL’s rulings when they use terms like “intention of cap circumvention”. Every single one of us knew what Tampa was doing all year to circumvent the cap. The NHL allowed it. You could say the same thing about the flames buying out giordano and then re-signing him. Could say the flames looked around and thought they could find something better and couldn’t so they signed giordano.

Of course it’s transparent. There have been so many examples of transparent rule circumvention in the NHL over the years. The league still lets it go.

They may not allow it this time of course. Seattle payed a huge sum to enter the league and the Bettman will want to make them happy. It would not surprise me but it would be more than a little hypocritical on the part of the league.


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[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, I've thought Edler would be a good signing (but he's not on the same level as Gio) - but this whole buyout thing seems like a slam dunk, no?

Buyout Gio, re-sign after the expansion - and sign Edler in free agency.

Giordano - Tanev
Hanifin - Andersson
Valimaki - Edler
Mackey

It's a creative way to improve the team.

Is Edler at the same level as Tanev?

Was Tanev the Flames best D-man last season?

Is Hanifin a top-4 d-man without Tanev as his RD? He wasn't showing much indication of being top 4 in 2019-20. Andersson was a solid top-4 guy in 2019-20 and not so much in 2020-21

In 2 years Gio will be a better player?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by stemit14

There is a lot of subjectivity in the NHL’s rulings when they use terms like “intention of cap circumvention”. Every single one of us knew what Tampa was doing all year to circumvent the cap. The NHL allowed it.

Kutcherov had a serious injury and had surgery for it. His rehab time was in line with what was expected for that type of injury. Likeel there was insurance on him as well, and the insurance company would have had to sign off on it as well.

That's why the NHL allowed it.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Kutcherov had a serious injury and had surgery for it. His rehab time was in line with what was expected for that type of injury. Likeel there was insurance on him as well, and the insurance company would have had to sign off on it as well.

That's why the NHL allowed it.

Exactly. It’s all within the rules. Even though they were $18 million over the cap, it was all within the rules.

That’s what some of us are saying about the flames buying out gio and re-signing him. It cannot be proven that their intentions were to circumvent the expansion draft… only assumed.

Again, I’m pretty sure the league will not allow them to do it. Seattle will make too much a stink about it. Giordano could very well end up being one of their best players in their first year if they draft him.


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[Toonage]

Craig Button discusses the expansion draft & other musings

https://www.tsn.ca/NHL/video/is-a-fa...algary~2241608

"TSN Director of Scouting Craig Button takes the wheel as the Flames GM ahead of the Expansion Draft and reveals the seven forwards, three defencemen and goaltender he would protect, with a few familiar faces omitted."

Because that went so well the first time.

[AC]

Losing Gio to the expansion draft would suck, but it's likely the only real play the Flames have (and best outcome outside of Seattle opting to select Kylington or something instead for some reason).

Surely the cost to protect him isn't worth it... but given his career as a Flame it would be a crappy way to end.

Gio should just come out and say he'll retire if selected... that'd solve things!

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Craig Button discusses the expansion draft & other musings

https://www.tsn.ca/NHL/video/is-a-fa...algary~2241608

"TSN Director of Scouting Craig Button takes the wheel as the Flames GM ahead of the Expansion Draft and reveals the seven forwards, three defencemen and goaltender he would protect, with a few familiar faces omitted."

Because that went so well the first time.

Glenn Gawdin?

Look, I like Gawdin as much as the next guy (and maybe moreso) and think he's a NHLer, but he's replaceable not only within the Flames organization but league-wide.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Craig Button discusses the expansion draft & other musings

https://www.tsn.ca/NHL/video/is-a-fa...algary~2241608

"TSN Director of Scouting Craig Button takes the wheel as the Flames GM ahead of the Expansion Draft and reveals the seven forwards, three defencemen and goaltender he would protect, with a few familiar faces omitted."

Because that went so well the first time.

Protect Gawdin over Backlund?

OK then.