Seattle Expansion Draft Speculation

[getbak]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

How is Backlund in this mix without a trade happening to make our 7 protected forwards more complicated?

Lucic waived.

They are required to expose 2 veteran forwards who are signed for next season and who have played a minimum number of games over the last two seasons.

Right now, the only players who qualify are Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Monahan, Lindholm, Mangiapane, Backlund, and Lucic.

Leivo, Simon, Ryan, and Ritchie all meet the games played requirement but are currently not under contract for next season. If the Flames don't re-sign one of them or acquire a signed forward from another team prior to Saturday, they will be required to expose Lucic and one other qualified player. Of those, Backlund would be the most-likely.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by getbak

They are required to expose 2 veteran forwards who are signed for next season and who have played a minimum number of games over the last two seasons.

Right now, the only players who qualify are Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Monahan, Lindholm, Mangiapane, Backlund, and Lucic.

Leivo, Simon, Ryan, and Ritchie all meet the games played requirement but are currently not under contract for next season. If the Flames don't re-sign one of them or acquire a signed forward from another team prior to Saturday, they will be required to expose Lucic and one other qualified player. Of those, Backlund would be the most-likely.

Oh how would we ever find someone to sign for league minimum...

This is a non issue.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by getbak

They are required to expose 2 veteran forwards who are signed for next season and who have played a minimum number of games over the last two seasons.

Right now, the only players who qualify are Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Monahan, Lindholm, Mangiapane, Backlund, and Lucic.

Leivo, Simon, Ryan, and Ritchie all meet the games played requirement but are currently not under contract for next season. If the Flames don't re-sign one of them or acquire a signed forward from another team prior to Saturday, they will be required to expose Lucic and one other qualified player. Of those, Backlund would be the most-likely.

I have zero doubt they will sign some vet to a two way minimum deal - the minimum gamnes doesn't have to be with the Flames. Also, if they sign Dube in the next couple days and if they do he meets the req.

ETA: they will also sign a goalie.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I have zero doubt they will sign some vet to a two way minimum deal - the minimum gamnes doesn't have to be with the Flames. Also, if they sign Dube in the next couple days and if they do he meets the req.

ETA: they will also sign a goalie.

Dube will be protected, so he won't count as exposed.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Oh how would we ever find someone to sign for league minimum...

This is a non issue.

As of right now, there are only 4 players they can sign who meet the requirement... Leivo, Simon, Ritchie, or Ryan. Anyone else would need to be traded for. It needs to be done before Saturday, so it is kind of an issue.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I have zero doubt they will sign some vet to a two way minimum deal - the minimum gamnes doesn't have to be with the Flames. Also, if they sign Dube in the next couple days and if they do he meets the req.

ETA: they will also sign a goalie.

It doesn't need to be someone who played with the Flames, but it does have to be done before Saturday, so they either need to acquire someone pretty damned soon, or get someone whose rights they already own signed in the next couple of days.

Dube will likely be protected, so whether he is signed or not is irrelevant. A goalie doesn't need to be signed to meet the exposure requirement, Parsons already meets the goalie exposure requirement.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by getbak

As of right now, there are only 4 players they can sign who meet the requirement... Leivo, Simon, Ritchie, or Ryan. Anyone else would need to be traded for. It needs to be done before Saturday, so it is kind of an issue.


It doesn't need to be someone who played with the Flames, but it does have to be done before Saturday, so they either need to acquire someone pretty damned soon, or get someone whose rights they already own signed in the next couple of days.

Dube will likely be protected, so whether he is signed or not is irrelevant. A goalie doesn't need to be signed to meet the exposure requirement, Parsons already meets the goalie exposure requirement.

Right - I was confused about the point on Dube. But there's no way they expose Backlund just because they forgot to sign Brett Ritchie or equivalent.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Right - I was confused about the point on Dube. But there's no way they expose Backlund just because they forgot to sign Brett Ritchie or equivalent.

Yeah, it's not something I'm worried about, but that's why people are including Backlund as an exposed player.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Gotta love that Kraken page on CapFriendly...

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/kraken

[neo45]

I wonder if Ritchie is overplaying his hand and asking for more than league minimum

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Gio's buyout 2.25 x 2 years ($4.5), so you'd have to sign him for something equalling $2.25M or more. Let's say you sign him for $2.5. The cap hit on the buyout is $2.25 (for 2 years), so you'd save $2M off of your cap hit next year.

Of course as a UFA Gio could go somewhere else.

Calgary looks at the dollars it actually pays as well as the cap.

It was part of the driving force behind the Neal/Lucic deal last year; the huge dollars saved.

It’s unlikely they will do a deal that makes them pay more cash to Gio regardless of the cap savings.


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[SeanCharles]

Ritchie will be re-signed before the deadline no doubt.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Gotta love that Kraken page on CapFriendly...

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/kraken

Solid cap management

[ComixZone]

The closer we get to this, the less and less I think the Flames will be exposing Giordano.

I just feel like there’s no way this organization who just signed a “win now” coach is going to let their best defenceman walk off into the sunset. I feel like they’re going to make a deal to protect him in the end.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The closer we get to this, the less and less I think the Flames will be exposing Giordano.

I just feel like there’s no way this organization who just signed a “win now” coach is going to let their best defenceman walk off into the sunset. I feel like they’re going to make a deal to protect him in the end.

It will cost too much.

If the Flames make a side deal to protect Giordano, then the Kraken take another player.

Suppose that player is Kylington. The lowest price that the Kraken will find acceptable equals (to them) the difference in value between Giordano and Kylington, because otherwise they have no incentive to make the deal.

But the highest price that the Flames should consider paying equals the difference in value between Giordano and Kylington, because otherwise they're giving up assets greater than the total value of Giordano.

You can't even say that Giordano is worth more to the Flames than to the Kraken because the Flames are in ‘win now’ mode. So are the Kraken. They have already received their marching orders from ownership: spend to the cap to build the best possible roster right out of the gate. They have a billion-dollar investment riding on it, and can't afford to squander that investment by icing a typical expansion team that will do nothing but lose for years.

[Ro]

Good article:

THW’s Ultimate Mock Expansion Draft: Meet Our Seattle Kraken

Excerpt:

Calgary Flames
Acting GM: Brett Krauss

Protected List: Matthew Tkachuk, Johnny Gaudreau, Sean Monahan, Elias Lindholm, Mikael Backlund, Dillon Dube, Andrew Mangiapane, Noah Hanifin, Rasmus Andersson, Chris Tanev, Jacob Markstrom.

Selection: Oliver Kylington.

Rationale: Brett also negotiated a side deal. The Flames sent forward prospect Emilio Pettersen and their 2022 second-round pick to select someone other than captain Mark Giordano. Kylington was the next best choice.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Ro

Good article:

THW’s Ultimate Mock Expansion Draft: Meet Our Seattle Kraken

Excerpt:

The best I can say about that article is that it contains words. Even before diving into the expansion draft selections, it suggests this dog poop chalupa of a trade:

Washington trades C Evgeny Kuznetsov to Montreal for LW Jonathan Drouin, D Ben Chiarot, and a 2022 first-round pick.

And follows it up with the rationale of spending assets to protect Gio:

Brett also negotiated a side deal. The Flames sent forward prospect Emilio Pettersen and their 2022 second-round pick to select someone other than captain Mark Giordano. Kylington was the next best choice.

[TheScorpion]

This is my mock post-expansion Seattle roster:

James van Riemsdyk (PHI) - Tyler Johnson (TB) - Evander Kane (SJ)
Anders Bjork (BUF) - Teddy Blueger (PIT) - JT Compher (COL)
Mason Appleton (WPG) - Logan Brown (OTT) - Jesper Fast (CAR)
Trevor Moore (LA) - Kevin Stenlund (CBJ) - Devin Shore (EDM)
Evgeny Svechnikov (DET) - Ty Ronning (NYR) - Kole Lind (VAN)

Mark Giordano (CGY) - PK Subban (NJ)
Nick Leddy (NYI) - Radko Gudas (FLA)
Vince Dunn (STL) - Justin Holl (TOR)
Carson Soucy (MIN) - Haydn Fleury (ANA)
Jeremy Lauzon (BOS) - Cale Fleury (MTL)
Riley Stillman (CHI)

Anton Khudobin (DAL)
Vitek Vanecek (WSH)
Adin Hill (ARI)
Connor Ingram (NSH)

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

It will cost too much.

If the Flames make a side deal to protect Giordano, then the Kraken take another player.

Suppose that player is Kylington. The lowest price that the Kraken will find acceptable equals (to them) the difference in value between Giordano and Kylington, because otherwise they have no incentive to make the deal.

But the highest price that the Flames should consider paying equals the difference in value between Giordano and Kylington, because otherwise they're giving up assets greater than the total value of Giordano.

You can't even say that Giordano is worth more to the Flames than to the Kraken because the Flames are in ‘win now’ mode. So are the Kraken. They have already received their marching orders from ownership: spend to the cap to build the best possible roster right out of the gate. They have a billion-dollar investment riding on it, and can't afford to squander that investment by icing a typical expansion team that will do nothing but lose for years.

That’s a great analysis.

While you might think that Gio’s value is basically the same to both teams, it seldom is.

Part of a Gio’s value would be his thought process in resigning with a team after next year is over. If, for example, it’s more likely that he would sign with Calgary, presumably his value to Calgary would be slightly higher.

And while both franchises have a mandate to win, it’s possible that one’s mandate is more “win at all costs” than the other.

The value of a particular player to two teams is seldom equal. I expect that is true with Gio.


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[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

The best I can say about that article is that it contains words. Even before diving into the expansion draft selections, it suggests this dog poop chalupa of a trade:

Washington trades C Evgeny Kuznetsov to Montreal for LW Jonathan Drouin, D Ben Chiarot, and a 2022 first-round pick.

And follows it up with the rationale of spending assets to protect Gio:

Brett also negotiated a side deal. The Flames sent forward prospect Emilio Pettersen and their 2022 second-round pick to select someone other than captain Mark Giordano. Kylington was the next best choice.

Wouldn't the Flames have just been better off keeping Bennett and exposing him if they are going to give up the trade return they got for him? That just doesn't make a lot of sense to me at all.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The closer we get to this, the less and less I think the Flames will be exposing Giordano.

I just feel like there’s no way this organization who just signed a “win now” coach is going to let their best defenceman walk off into the sunset. I feel like they’re going to make a deal to protect him in the end.

I just can’t see how the flames would protect Gio over Tanev . If they make a side deal at the very least it would cost is a 2nd round pick. I would have to think Seattle would want a first to protect him. That’s a non starter , even with Sutter “win now”. If I had to guess it would cost a 2nd , prospect , and whoever Seattle ends up taking. An example would be 2nd round pick , Phillips, and Kylington. That’s far to much and not worth it. Thank Gio for his hard work and time with flames, and send him to Seattle.