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Lanny_McDonald · 07-12-2021, 09:55 AM

Kent Johnson at 14??? We could be so lucky.

Jiri Hrdina · 07-12-2021, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

Craig Button's final rankings are out. If you are of the mind it might reveal some insight into what his brother is thinking:

https://www.tsn.ca/craig-button-list...raft-1.1666944

He has Fedor Svechkov ranked 6 (which I believe is the highest I have seen him ranked). Pronman also has Svechkov linked to the Flames. So hmmmmmm.

Svechkov is interesting as many believe his upside is limited. But on the other side he could end up being an elite two way forward.

ForeverFlameFan · 07-12-2021, 11:10 AM

I wouldn’t be mad if Calgary selected Svechkov at 12. He could very well be the steal of the draft if things played out that way. Such a wacky draft.

Monahammer · 07-12-2021, 12:20 PM

Let's hope Button is close to right. Our pick of Johnson-Sillinger at 13 ( I still prefer sillinger but understand the Johnson fans) but also Stankoven available at our 2nd... could be delicious.

sureLoss · 07-12-2021, 12:34 PM

Well lets be clear, Button isn't predicting that will be the order.

He is giving the rankings of the prospects in his view. They aren't going to go that way in an actual draft and he probably wouldn't even have it close to that order if he were to do a mock draft.

It is interesting because the brothers probably have similar views when evaluating prospects. However, Tod has a GM/AGMs/scouts that are there to temper his views and have to convince

Fighting Banana Slug · 07-12-2021, 12:56 PM

Yup. This is always true of all drafts, but for this one in particular: there is no book. No risers or fallers, just individual teams viewing individual players differently. It should be an amazing draft.

Royle9 · 07-12-2021, 01:59 PM

Craig's list is always eerily close to what the Flames end up selecting (Mark Jankowski year was so obvious)

Couple that with the fact the Flames have had some significant Russian selections in the last few drafts (Nikolaev, Kuznetsov (small degree) Chechelev) after some in depth scouting of the Russian hockey scene I feel like Svechkov could end up being our pick if he's there.

I don't see a lot of #1/2C in Svechkov but he looks like a solid Backlund 2 way center replacement with potential of a higher upside/ceiling.

Sandman · 07-12-2021, 05:12 PM

Svechkov is who I’ve been speculating will be the Flames pick. He could end up being Bergeron-ish, and as stated above-his floor is Backlund.

neo45 · 07-12-2021, 05:14 PM

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Svechkov is who I’ve been speculating will be the Flames pick. He could end up being Bergeron-ish, and as stated above-his floor is Backlund.

His floor isn’t Backlund lol

He’d be first overall if that’s the worst case scenario

Sandman · 07-12-2021, 05:22 PM

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His floor isn’t Backlund lol

He’d be first overall if that’s the worst case scenario

Ugh, I don’t know where to start, but you’re obviously out to lunch with a comment like that. That’s not how it works, and I will leave it at that.

neo45 · 07-12-2021, 05:25 PM

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Ugh, I don’t know where to start, but you’re obviously out to lunch with a comment like that. That’s not how it works, and I will leave it at that.

It’s laughable to say a guy ranked in the mid to late first round in a weak draft has a floor of a top six center with over 750 games played

Scroopy Noopers · 07-12-2021, 05:29 PM

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It’s laughable to say a guy ranked in the mid to late first round in a weak draft has a floor of a…

nother centre who was drafted late in the first round.

Sounds reasonable.

neo45 · 07-12-2021, 05:52 PM

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nother centre who was drafted late in the first round.

Sounds reasonable.

Yes the Russian Bergeron who could disappoint and turn out as just a Backlund sounds very reasonable

A reasonable projection if ever there was one

Sandman · 07-12-2021, 05:57 PM

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It’s laughable to say a guy ranked in the mid to late first round in a weak draft has a floor of a top six center with over 750 games played

First of all, Backlund is a top-6 player on the Flames, but he’s a third-line checking, two-way C on a contender, who can chip in 40 pts. Sutter is grooming him for the third line now, too. How many first overall picks have you seen with 3rd line C as their floor? That kind of floor is exactly WHY a guy like Svechkov is going in the middle of the first, instead of first overall, because he’s likely to be closer to his floor than his ceiling. The teams that think he can be a top-line player have him ranked higher. You never hear about guys like MacKinnon having the potential to end up as a 3rd liner.

Sandman · 07-12-2021, 06:01 PM

The potential to end up as a 3rd line C is why Raty isn’t in the conversation for 1st overall anymore.

The comparison to Bergeron is stylistically only.

neo45 · 07-12-2021, 06:05 PM

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First of all, Backlund is a top-6 player on the Flames, but he’s a third-line checking, two-way C on a contender, who can chip in 40 pts. Sutter is grooming him for the third line now, too. How many first overall picks have you seen with 3rd line C as their floor? That kind of floor is exactly WHY a guy like Svechkov is going in the middle of the first, instead of first overall, because he’s likely to be closer to his floor than his ceiling. The teams that think he can be a top-line player have him ranked higher. You never hear about guys like MacKinnon having the potential to end up as a 3rd liner.

There are first overall picks that don’t even last in the league

Semantics as to whether Backlund is a 3C or a 2C but to say anything available at #11 is a highly likely to end up that good is delusion. Svechkov is more likely to not even stick in the league then to develop into a player that good

For starters he doesn’t even project to be a center at the NHL level. He plays more wing right now and even most centers get moved to the wing after they are drafted

Sandman · 07-12-2021, 06:11 PM

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There are first overall picks that don’t even last in the league

Semantics as to whether Backlund is a 3C or a 2C but to say anything available at #11 is a highly likely to end up that good is delusion. Svechkov is more likely to not even stick in the league then to develop into a player that good

For starters he doesn’t even project to be a center at the NHL level. He plays more wing right now and even most centers get moved to the wing after they are drafted

So you’re saying that a player projected to be a possible 3rd liner, with the chance to be an effective top-6 player should be in the conversation for first overall? Why isn’t Raty in that conversation then?

neo45 · 07-12-2021, 06:20 PM

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So you’re saying that a player projected to be a possible 3rd liner, with the chance to be an effective top-6 player should be in the conversation for first overall? Why isn’t Raty in that conversation then?

I’m saying this Russian winger with questionable offensive upside doesn’t have a floor of Mikael Backlund and a ceiling of Patrice Bergeron, because that statement is silly

Sandman · 07-12-2021, 06:25 PM

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I’m saying this Russian winger with questionable offensive upside doesn’t have a floor of Mikael Backlund and a ceiling of Patrice Bergeron, because that statement is silly

The comparison to Bergeron is stylistically only.

neo45 · 07-12-2021, 06:28 PM

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The comparison to Bergeron is stylistically only.

Still I think a defensive specialist who might not (probably won’t) play center at the NHL level would be a bit of a space brain pick at #11, and that’s ignoring the Russian factor

The rankings on this guy are all over the place but all seem to agree his offensive upside is limited