2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Repeating the same mistakes over and over and never fully committing to a rebuild has gotten this organization one failed run and one series win in 30 years. You'd think people would be more open to the idea of maybe trying a different approach.

I think many people believe a full and proper re-build is the right way to go but also acknowledge that it's unlikely - and thus tire of complaining and whining about it constantly.

So we talk about other things, including what the team should do based on, what is probably an accurate, assumption that they aren't going to tear it down.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

That's one more amazing player than our own horse**** team.

The question of whether a rebuild is a good idea or not lies in whether you think this team has the horses to win, when they've shown repeatedly that they don't. Repeating the same mistakes over and over and never fully committing to a rebuild has gotten this organization one failed run and one series win in 30 years. You'd think people would be more open to the idea of maybe trying a different approach.

If you want that kind of change though you need to convince the owners. They have shown that they aren’t interested in being a bottom feeder for 3 or 4 seasons to pick up a few top 5 draft picks.

I probably wouldn’t either if I were pumping millions of dollars into an enterprise. I’d want to be competitive every year as well.

Doubt the above will appease the tear down folk. But the point I’m trying to make is this ownership group will never go for a full “rebuild” in my opinion. Ever.

I think anyone who’s been a flames fan for a reasonable amount of time probably realizes that.

[really?]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think many people believe a full and proper re-build is the right way to go but also acknowledge that it's unlikely - and thus tire of complaining and whining about it constantly.

So we talk about other things, including what the team should do based on, what is probably an accurate, assumption that they aren't going to tear it down.

Spot on. I believe the Flames are chasing a mirage in believing they can largely supplement the current roster and ice a team that takes a run at a cup, but there is nothing to suggest this isn't the course. From a business standpoint, and a professional standpoint, it would take a GM with a granite groin to take apart a team that has qualified for the playoffs two out of the past three years, and start a full rebuild. Do most of us believe the Flames are legitimate cup contenders? Probably not, but the Flames need to sell tickets and rebuilds are dicey propositions at best.

The fan in me would start a rebuild immediately, as I can't see the components on this roster being capable of challenging teams like the AVs or Knights in a seven game set in the near future, but I'm not the GM and that's a tough call to make when a byproduct of your efforts is supposed to encourage ticket sales. If the team was guaranteed to maintain current ticket sale levels, and obtain future NHL impact players in deals, I think they'd already be in a rebuild, but those issues cannot be guaranteed. There is a big difference between being satisfied with your squad, and being at a point where the uncertainty of a rebuild is warranted. If they miss the playoffs this year, it will be hard to justify staying the course, but that is yet to be seen.

The Bennett deal shows the Flames do have an eye on the future, but I would be shocked if the team turned a Sean Monahan, a Johnny Gaudreau, or a Matthew Tkachuk into future assets. The Flames are in a tight spot, but given the chatter about potential moves, I don't believe that Treliving sees this team as a Neal or Brouwer away from contention, and that's a good thing. It's difficult to envision the team making a bold move towards the future when they have a legitimate shot at the post season, and as much as we may believe this course will eventually lead to some serious pain, it's just too early to scorch the earth around this team from a management standpoint. Hope I'm wrong.

[sureLoss]

From Friedman's final 33 thoughts of the season:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...season-begins/

Chi and Edm are getting to the point where the Keith deal is going to happen or not.
Edm has turned down asks of Bear and/or McLeod

Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau, Friedman guesses the AAV will need to be greater than Tkachuk's current AAV of $7 mil.

Toronto had interest in Tyler Bertuzzi but not sure if it is still in the works
Detroit will be among the pursuers for Hyman who won't be back with the Leafs

Van is looking for defence and a centre with "some heft"
Hughes and Petterson are looking for short term deals
Trying to move Nate Schmidt

Guess is ANA, CGY, MIN, VGK are in on Eichel with BOS, NYR, and maybe LAK on the periphery

Tarasenko and the Blues will do everything to facilitate a move. Both parties want to move on

Flyers and Voracek have discussed that it might be time to move on
Voracek will be left unprotected in the expansion draft and a chance his former coach Dave Hakstol might want him
If that fails Flyers will try to trade him but both sides recognize that he might stay put

Flyers no longer in trade talks for Seth Jones.
Jones is unwilling to sign a new deal with the Flyers at this time

There are rumors that the Canes are worried about Nedeljkovic's arbitration award and might not qualify him.

Teams are interested in Christan Dvorak

Wouldn't be surprised if LA looks hard at a Saad or Schwartz type winger

Bets that Landeskog will get re-signed in Col, but sees Kings and Blues (if they can move Tarasenko) going after him if he hits FA.

Thinks players like Coleman, Goodrow, Hyman, and Armia will be heavily pursued.

[1qqaaz]

If the Canes lose Nedeljkovic, that would be one of the dumbest mistakes any team could possibly make over the summer.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

If the Canes lose Nedeljkovic, that would be one of the dumbest mistakes any team could possibly make over the summer.

I agree, but Mrazek has played just as well for them and may be a cheaper option.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by MrMike

I agree, but Mrazek has played just as well for them and may be a cheaper option.

Well, Needledick is 4 years younger, and they chose to ride him in the playoffs, so you know who they think is the better option. And he was spectacular last year.


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[Major Major]

I bet negotiating with the hurricanes is an absolute dream right now. We're not gonna pay a dime over 1/3 of what you're worth!

Their offer to Dougie is probably 3 million aav.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think many people believe a full and proper re-build is the right way to go but also acknowledge that it's unlikely - and thus tire of complaining and whining about it constantly.

So we talk about other things, including what the team should do based on, what is probably an accurate, assumption that they aren't going to tear it down.

Yeah we may as well deal in reality and try to think of ways we could see some entertaining/winning hockey in the short term. As long as you don't sign any players to massive/untradeable contracts, a rebuild is always a possibility upon bringing in a new management team.

[CliffFletcher]

I don’t know how many here have subscriptions to the Athletic. But in multiple stories by multiple writers quoting multiple NHL execs and coaches without attribution, the insiders have said that while Eichel has elite talent, he is not a leader, is part of the culture problem in Buffalo, and is way out of his depth trying to lead a team. They basically say a team should not expect him to be The Guy, and he would be best suited to a veteran team where he can just slide into an existing leadership group. The most recent of several comments on Eichel:

“Just sit the #### down and behave and bring your ‘A’ game,” the longtime NHL scout said. “I wouldn’t want him driving the bus.”

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I don’t know how many here have subscriptions to the Athletic. But in multiple stories by multiple writers quoting multiple NHL execs and coaches without attribution, the insiders have said that while Eichel has elite talent, he is not a leader, is part of the culture problem in Buffalo, and is way out of his depth trying to lead a team. They basically say a team should not expect him to be The Guy, and he would be best suited to a veteran team where he can just slide into an existing leadership group. The most recent of several comments on Eichel:

Nobody should trade for Eichel for leadership

Trade him for his scoring like a top star

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Nobody should trade for Eichel for leadership

Trade him for his scoring like a top star

Maybe but what leadership group here would he be sliding into? I like Gio, but the 25-30 year old core players are not exactly leaders on this team.

And at some point your best players should also be team leaders otherwise you get a split in the room.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Maybe but what leadership group here would he be sliding into? I like Gio, but the 25-30 year old core players are not exactly leaders on this team.

And at some point your best players should also be team leaders otherwise you get a split in the room.

Sure which superstar with leadership skill is available?

Sutter will have to provide that with the current team

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

From Friedman's final 33 thoughts of the season:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...season-begins/

Guess is ANA, CGY, MIN, VGK are in on Eichel with BOS, NYR, and maybe LAK on the periphery
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How would Vegas ever fit Eichel under the cap? Trade him through a 3rd team like SJ and give up a pick/player for SJ to retain salary?

[FanIn80]

If Landeskog does somehow make it to FA, I feel like that should be a top priority target for us.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

How would Vegas ever fit Eichel under the cap? Trade him through a 3rd team like SJ and give up a pick/player for SJ to retain salary?

Pull a kucherov with his injury/surgery. Vegas is good enough to make playoffs without eichel. Have him practice with the team for 3 months and then activate him off LTIR once the playoffs start. Helps solve their issues scoring in the playoffs.


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[getbak]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

How would Vegas ever fit Eichel under the cap? Trade him through a 3rd team like SJ and give up a pick/player for SJ to retain salary?

It's one thing to get a team to do that for a couple of months on an expiring contract. I doubt any team would be willing to do it for 5 full seasons, especially when Eichel's deal pays him full value every year. It's not front-loaded at all.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by getbak

It's one thing to get a team to do that for a couple of months on an expiring contract. I doubt any team would be willing to do it for 5 full seasons, especially when Eichel's deal pays him full value every year. It's not front-loaded at all.

Do you know if retained salary deals have to stay consistent for the duration of the contract?

For example, say the trading team retrains $2M of AAV, can the teams negotiate that the salary is retained until such time that the cap goes up by $2M?

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Pull a kucherov with his injury/surgery. Vegas is good enough to make playoffs without eichel. Have him practice with the team for 3 months and then activate him off LTIR once the playoffs start. Helps solve their issues scoring in the playoffs.


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Ya no. Have to think the NHL will close that loophole in the off season.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Do you know if retained salary deals have to stay consistent for the duration of the contract?

For example, say the trading team retrains $2M of AAV, can the teams negotiate that the salary is retained until such time that the cap goes up my $2M?

If you retain salary, you retain the same percentage -- real dollars and cap hit -- for the remaining duration of the contract. It can't vary at all.