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Old 07-02-2021, 03:37 PM   #141
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I mean, I guess it's good news? But it does add more fuel to the fire that NHL players do not want to play for the Flames and that's a big problem in the grander scheme.
No, it doesn’t.
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Old 07-02-2021, 03:41 PM   #142
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Agreed. I can only imagine that they either gauged interest and Treliving said no thank you, or they took a very quick look at the roster, our cap and decided Keith wasn't going to be a fit.
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Our defensive corps' fancy stats last year:

Gio: EV CF% 53.8 EV Fen 54.5% PDO 100.5

Tanev: EV CF% 55% (!) EV Fen 56.5% PDO 101.4

Hanifin: EV CF% 52.0 EV Fen 51.6% PDO 98.5

Andersson: EV CF% 49.9% EV Fen 48.5% PDO 98.5

Valimaki: EV CF% 54.1% EV Fen 52.9% PDO 99.5

Stone: EV CF% 54.3% EV Fen 53.5% PDO 98.6

Nestorov: EV CF% 51.7% EV Fen 50.8% PDO 97

Kylington: EV CF% 54.7% EV Fen 51.1% PDO 99.3

Duncan Keith: EV CF% 45.1% EV Fen 43.8% PDO 89.0

I don't think Keith is good enough to play here.
I’m loathe to quote myself, but for real, Duncan Keith isn’t good enough to play here, regardless of whether or not we’re on his ‘list’.
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Agreed. I can only imagine that they either gauged interest and Treliving said no thank you, or they took a very quick look at the roster, our cap and decided Keith wasn't going to be a fit.
It can also be the simple fact that he wants to play more minutes and he would not be getting it in Calgary.
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Old 07-02-2021, 04:27 PM   #145
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Keith wants to play close to home on a team with a chance to win with the cap space.

He's going to have to plug his nose on the "chance to win" thing if he wants to get a deal done.

Edmonton and Seattle are really his only two choices.

Vancouver has no cap. Calgary doesn't have much and not really the need.

Edmonton must feel that Barrie will be too expensive to bring back.

Keith would fit in best on a responsible defensive team. That's not the Oilers. It certainly wasn't the Hawks were he needed to play the toughest minutes and 25 of them per night.
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I actually liked Keith as a player, hope he doesn't end up on the grease. Will have to disown him like I did Russell. I'd be good with Seattle- I like the city and the player.
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A team that’s cap space rich but doesn’t want to pay much (like Seattle) could take him since his high AAV contract is actually not expensive in real dollars.
Why on earth do you assume that the Kraken don't want to pay much? They didn't pony up $650 million for a franchise, plus hundreds of millions for their share in redeveloping KeyArena, so they could become the proud owners of the 1993 Ottawa Senators. Like Vegas, this franchise has deep pockets and the will to use them.

On a more general note, some people keep talking about how advantageous it is to take on a declining player with a high cap hit and low actual pay to help you make the salary floor. Except for the Arizona Coyotes, I can't think of any team that has actually done this, or of any NHL franchise that has had any trouble spending to the floor. It's a solution in search of a problem.
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Why on earth do you assume that the Kraken don't want to pay much? They didn't pony up $650 million for a franchise, plus hundreds of millions for their share in redeveloping KeyArena, so they could become the proud owners of the 1993 Ottawa Senators. Like Vegas, this franchise has deep pockets and the will to use them.

On a more general note, some people keep talking about how advantageous it is to take on a declining player with a high cap hit and low actual pay to help you make the salary floor. Except for the Arizona Coyotes, I can't think of any team that has actually done this, or of any NHL franchise that has had any trouble spending to the floor. It's a solution in search of a problem.
Because (a) it’s been reported they don’t want to pay much in salary and the reason is (b) because they’ve already spent so much to get in.

I agree - the floor isn’t really an issue. It’s more (for them) the ability to charge someone a premium in a trade to take on a cap hit with an actual cheap real salary.
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Friedman ( who clearly needs to see a barber) was saying the other day that he thought Seattle or Edmonton
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Because (a) it’s been reported they don’t want to pay much in salary and the reason is (b) because they’ve already spent so much to get in.
I haven't seen that report. Mind pointing me at a source?

I still say it makes absolutely no business sense, having spent over a billion dollars up front on a new enterprise, to deliberately make your product worse by cheaping out over a few million.

EDIT: While I don't have an Athletic subscription (money way too tight), I see MSN quoting an Athletic article supporting my view of the matter:

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Hanifin has been involved in trade talks before. I could see he or Valimaki being moved for a forward.

Is it that far fetched Keith could be on his way here? The money is the problem I guess.
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Hanifin has been involved in trade talks before. I could see he or Valimaki being moved for a forward.



Is it that far fetched Keith could be on his way here? The money is the problem I guess.
Well, that, and also the fact that Keith purportedly is not interested in going to Calgary.

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Well there is that. Thanks.

If being closer to the Okanagan is your goal, it’s kind of odd Calgary doesn’t make the cut.
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Well there is that. Thanks.

If being closer to the Okanagan is your goal, it’s kind of odd Calgary doesn’t make the cut.
It’s not just about being closer to home, it’s also about winning. And in that regard Calgary should be right near the bottom of the list.
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It’s not just about being closer to home, it’s also about winning. And in that regard Calgary should be right near the bottom of the list.
...right there along with every other team in closest proximity of Kelowna. Calgary is not alone in this regard.

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It’s not just about being closer to home, it’s also about winning. And in that regard Calgary should be right near the bottom of the list.
I don’t want anything to do with Keith but Vancouver and Seattle are at the same level or worse than the flames when it comes to winning.
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