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				Parayko and Tarasenko would be absurd. Why would Calgary trade its 23-year-old star for two 29-year-olds? 
			
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Because 29 is NOT over the hill for most players, Tarasenko has size, speed and a blistering shot we could use and Sutter and Treliving are either all in or all out, and we know Sutter himself is all in and doesn't care about 3-4 years from now.
 
Mugs game anyway though, Tarasenko has a full No Trade Clause. St Louis would really have to want him gone to convince him to drop it to go to Calgary. This is the home of the Swedish Mafia not the Russian Mob. 
 
He has been injured LTIR a couple of times now but he did play 5 straight seasons prior to that. So's Eichel, so's Mathews, so's Stamkos and of course Kucherov so lots of star players get banged up. 
 
I get why we would want a bona fide rifle like shooter and while Laine's younger he's also a terrible 2 way player from all accounts.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			06-21-2021, 06:23 PM
			
			
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			Gio's on the road nearly half the time during the season, so I doubt they'd relocate the family if he ended up in SEA. They can come visit him for a few home stretches, he can come home for Xmas and ASB, plus 2+ games in CGY. 
 
 
No guarantee SEA takes Gio even if he's exposed. The impression is that they want to draft the min. possible salary and then extort more value in trades.  
 
They need to draft 48.9M in AAV. Assuming 20 guys average around 1M, that means they need to draft a surplus of ~$29M. 
 
Possibilities 
Goalies (Quick, Allen, Holtby, Khudobin, etc.) 
 
Voracek/JVR... 
 
TBL: McDonagh/Cernak, or I wouldn't be surprised if they offered a Gourde+T Johnson package 
 
COL: need to do something about their 4 D...you can probably pencil $4M+ from them (maybe they go 4-4 and expose Kadri or Donskoi) 
 
MIN: Dumba/Hartman/Rask/Talbot - probably some $$$ one way or the other 
 
MTL: Chiarot/Edmundson...maybe even Byron (or Jake Allen) 
 
NAS: They might go 4-4 and maybe even expose a Duchene or Johansen. (Kunin, Arvidsson, Forsberg...) 
 
PIT: McCann/Rust/Matheson 
 
Other $$$$ D: 
Risto/C Miller 
Gio 
Skjei/Gardiner or Bean (pending RFA...maybe CAR gets creative to try to keep him) 
Zadorov/De Haan, though ELC Riley Stillman may be attractive 
 
 
I suppose my point is that SEA won't have much trouble drafting that surplus $29M, especially with defensemen (lots of LD at that). It's hard to play out the scenario without knowing the actual protection lists, or knowing how coveted certain prospects might be on these teams that have established $$$ players.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			06-21-2021, 06:27 PM
			
			
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				Because Calgary, for some inexplicable reason, believes they are a move or two away from contention, as they do every year despite evidence to the contrary. 
 
Honestly, I don’t know why the Blues even consider this deal for a second. Tarasenko alone has more value than Chucky. 
			
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				Based on actual tangible connections or based on a ‘gut’ feeling? Guarantee is a big statement even with ‘pretty much’ preceding it. 
			
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Gut feel. It will never happen.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			06-21-2021, 06:27 PM
			
			
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			Geez this thread is very depressing. If any of those trades happen we would have the dumbest GM in the league. BT making Benning look good if this #### happens
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			06-21-2021, 06:34 PM
			
			
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				Tarasenko alone has more value than Chucky. 
			
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That's a preposterous hypothesis.
 
Tarasenko has a full NTC, so this is all pretty moo.
 
I wonder about something like: Tarasenko+Schenn for Kuznetsov+????
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			06-21-2021, 06:36 PM
			
			
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				That's a preposterous hypothesis. 
 
 
Tarasenko has a full NTC, so this is all pretty moo. 
 
I wonder about something like: Tarasenko+Schenn for Kuznetsov+???? 
			
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Did Steve tell him that per chance? Ugh, Steve.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			06-21-2021, 06:41 PM
			
			
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					Originally Posted by  mrdonkey
					 
				 
				Because Calgary, for some inexplicable reason, believes they are a move or two away from contention, as they do every year despite evidence to the contrary. 
 
Honestly, I don’t know why the Blues even consider this deal for a second. Tarasenko alone has more value than Chucky. 
			
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Yeah those 7 goals and 24 points over the last 2 seasons are damn impressive.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			06-21-2021, 06:42 PM
			
			
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					Originally Posted by  powderjunkie
					 
				 
				That's a preposterous hypothesis. 
 
 
Tarasenko has a full NTC, so this is all pretty moo. 
 
I wonder about something like: Tarasenko+Schenn for Kuznetsov+???? 
			
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In the same radio segment, O'Brien states that he's heard Tarasenko wants out.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			06-21-2021, 06:52 PM
			
			
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				Geez this thread is very depressing. If any of those trades happen we would have the dumbest GM in the league. BT making Benning look good if this #### happens 
			
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You wouldn't swap rosters with Vancouver right now?
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			06-21-2021, 06:56 PM
			
			
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				Tarasenko alone has more value than Chucky. 
			
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Lmao, no he doesn't.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			06-21-2021, 06:57 PM
			
			
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				Because Calgary, for some inexplicable reason, believes they are a move or two away from contention, as they do every year despite evidence to the contrary. 
 
Honestly, I don’t know why the Blues even consider this deal for a second. Tarasenko alone has more value than Chucky. 
			
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That's just not true at all. Tarasenko has dealt with a ton of injuries and is two years away from UFA.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			06-21-2021, 07:04 PM
			
			
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			This is a young man’s game. Youth=value. In most cases, the older the player gets, the more his value decreases. If we were to trade Chucky, I would hope we get somebody young back.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			06-21-2021, 07:14 PM
			
			
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			So people want to dump Monahan cause he is broken down and worthless but think Tarensenko who has had three shoulder injuries is worth more than Tkachuk. Either people are completely beaten down as Flames fan which I understand or are straight trolling.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			06-21-2021, 07:27 PM
			
			
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			Jesus this Tkachuk rumour better not be true. We need more players that want to go to war every game, not less. Tkachuks game did a 180 for the worse right after that players meeting. The captain should have put an end to that discussion the second it was brought up that Tkachuk should take it easy. I’d have no problem with the gm trading any player that thought Tkachuk needs to not got to war every night. I don’t know how but Calgary has had a country club vibe ever since the cup final run.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			06-21-2021, 07:31 PM
			
			
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thats not really apples to apples though.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			06-21-2021, 07:31 PM
			
			
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				Did Steve tell him that per chance? Ugh, Steve. 
			
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Bloody Steve.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			06-21-2021, 07:38 PM
			
			
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			I think the day Tkachuk signed that contract we should have all known very well he wasn't long for this organization.  That said the Blues simply don't have a trade that works for the Flames.  Plenty of other US teams can offer better players/prospects.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			06-21-2021, 07:39 PM
			
			
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				Because Calgary, for some inexplicable reason, believes they are a move or two away from contention, as they do every year despite evidence to the contrary. 
 
Honestly, I don’t know why the Blues even consider this deal for a second. Tarasenko alone has more value than Chucky. 
			
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Lol
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			06-21-2021, 08:10 PM
			
			
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			Maybe a Monahan for Taransenko swap would be interesting. Broken for broken and change up the top 6.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			06-21-2021, 08:11 PM
			
			
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			I dont think we should give a single #### about where Matt wants to play if he's asking for a trade. He can figure that out with his next team. We should trade him for the best package possible. We owe him nothing.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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