[GDT] The 2021 NHL Draft Lottery (5 PM on Sportsnet)

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Hendog

Pacific division representing how bad they are in this draft lotto - including you Kraken! Not
existing until recently is no excuse!

6 of 15 lotto eligible teams = pacific

6 of 8 pacific teams = lotto eligible

Sad

#7 swept in round one
#8 lost 7-1 in round 2 game one

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Barca

McTavish/Johnson/Guenther

those guys could be available at 9th.

I hope flames trade up to 8th and take whoever Canucks had their heart set on. I do want the flames to get one of Johnson or McTavish.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Barca

McTavish/Johnson/Guenther

those guys could be available at 9th.

I liked you better when you were hiding

[JurassicTunga12]

Well that was about as boring as it could get. Hopefully the Flames can get hit a home run with the pick.

[SoulOfTheFlame]

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

Well that was about as boring as it could get. Hopefully the Flames can get hit a home run with the pick.

Get ready for Matt Pelech 2.0.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by dino7c

#7 swept in round one
#8 lost 7-1 in round 2 game one

It seems teams in the Central division would be competing for one of the wild card spots depending on where Vegas finishes next year. A much easier second round if you win.

[FanIn80]

Within the last 10 seasons:

ANA: 5 straight division titles; missed the playoffs 4 times, drafting 6th, 9th, 6th, and now 3rd as a result of their misses.

LAK: Won 2 cups; missed the playoffs 4 times, drafting 43rd, 5th, 2nd and now 8th as a result of their misses.

CHI: Won 2 cups; missed the playoffs 3 times, drafting 3rd, 8th and now 11th as a result of their misses.

CGY: 1 division title; missed the playoffs 6 times, drafting 21st, 6th, 4th, 6th, 105th and now 12th as a result of their misses.

One of these teams is not like the others...

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They almost certainly won't...they also won't be the biggest FA destination.

Congrats on their shrewd move of getting gifted good lottery odds and happening to win the 2nd pick. (In what was likely a fixed lottery looking at the results)

With a flat cap likely and Seattle having the most cap space, I think they will be big players in the FA market.

I don't think they'll be as good as Vegas though because what Vegas did as an expansion team was rare in professional sports in general. Replicating that is an unrealistic expectation. I also think teams learned their lesson and won't be giving up assets to protect players. It ended up being poor asset management for most teams.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Within the last 10 seasons:

ANA: 5 straight division titles; missed the playoffs 4 times, drafting 6th, 9th, 6th, and now 3rd as a result of their misses.

LAK: Won 2 cups; have missed the playoffs last 3 seasons, drafting 5th, 2nd and now 8th as a result of their misses.

CHI: Won 2 cups; have missed the playoffs 3 of the last 4 seasons, drafting 3rd, 8th and now 11th as a result of their misses.

CGY: 1 division title; have missed the playoffs 6 times, drafting 21st, 6th, 4th, 6th, 105th and now 12th as a result of their misses.

One of these teams is not like the others...

We also had a recent 12, 13, 14 (instead of 21) and 15 OAs, but your point stands.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They almost certainly won't...they also won't be the biggest FA destination.

Congrats on their shrewd move of getting gifted good lottery odds and happening to win the 2nd pick. (In what was likely a fixed lottery looking at the results)

One of the most probable outcomes happened. It couldn't possibly have been by chance!

One day, maybe, the jokers running the NHL will realize that it is actually better to televise the drawing of the balls, so the public can see (what the auditors already know) that it is done fairly, than to televise Bill Daly's ugly mug while he holds up cards with team logos one after another.

In the meantime, if I were going to go to the trouble of fixing a lottery, I wouldn't bother with this one. Nobody knows who the two best players are, so the value of picking #1 or #2 is the lowest it's ever been.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Within the last 10 seasons:

ANA: 5 straight division titles; missed the playoffs 4 times, drafting 6th, 9th, 6th, and now 3rd as a result of their misses.

LAK: Won 2 cups; have missed the playoffs last 3 seasons, drafting 5th, 2nd and now 8th as a result of their misses.

CHI: Won 2 cups; have missed the playoffs 3 of the last 4 seasons, drafting 3rd, 8th and now 11th as a result of their misses.

CGY: 1 division title; have missed the playoffs 6 times, drafting 21st, 6th, 4th, 6th, 105th and now 12th as a result of their misses.

One of these teams is not like the others...

Just brutal.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Within the last 10 seasons:

ANA: 5 straight division titles; missed the playoffs 4 times, drafting 6th, 9th, 6th, and now 3rd as a result of their misses.

LAK: Won 2 cups; missed the playoffs 4 times, drafting 43rd, 5th, 2nd and now 8th as a result of their misses.

CHI: Won 2 cups; have missed the playoffs 3 of the last 4 seasons, drafting 3rd, 8th and now 11th as a result of their misses.

CGY: 1 division title; have missed the playoffs 6 times, drafting 21st, 6th, 4th, 6th, 105th and now 12th as a result of their misses.

One of these teams is not like the others...

Yeah. For one of those teams, you're lumping in recent playoff misses with a rebuild that finished years ago. The others are still at or near the bottom.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Yeah. For one of those teams, you're lumping in recent playoff misses with a rebuild that finished years ago. The others are still at or near the bottom.

Chicago, like Calgary, won the play-in round last year and then was eliminated in round 1.

This year, Chicago was next to Calgary in the standings. They were realistically in the playoff hunt a lot longer, but then somehow got passed by Calgary in the last game of the season.

The point is, Calgary is about the same as a 3-time cup winning team that is apparently just starting their rebuild.

[FanIn80]

Just because....

EDM: 0 division titles; missed the playoffs 7 times, drafting 1st, 7th, 3rd, 1st, 4th, 10th and 8th as a result of their misses.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Yeah. For one of those teams, you're lumping in recent playoff misses with a rebuild that finished years ago. The others are still at or near the bottom.

How much you want to bet one of those 3 teams will win a cup before the Flames even make it to the final 4 again?

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Yeah. For one of those teams, you're lumping in recent playoff misses with a rebuild that finished years ago. The others are still at or near the bottom.

To make it clearer:

ANA: 5 division titles, 4 misses resulted in 3 top 10 picks, 1 top 3 pick.

LAK: 2 cups, 4 misses resulted in 1 top 10 pick, 1 top 5 pick, 1 top 3 pick.

CHI: 2 cups, 3 misses resulted in 1 top 10 pick, 1 top 3 pick.

CGY: 1 division title, 6 misses resulted in 2 top 10 picks, 1 top 5 pick, 0 top 3 picks.

All I did was notice 3 teams who were recently very good but all picking ahead of us this year without winning the lottery. Then I looked up their last 10 seasons, and compared their successes, misses and draft positions as a result of those misses to us.

It would be interesting to do the last 10 seasons like this for every team, but I did these ones using my phone and now I have a headache.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Chicago, like Calgary, won the play-in round last year and then was eliminated in round 1.

This year, Chicago was next to Calgary in the standings. They were realistically in the playoff hunt a lot longer, but then somehow got passed by Calgary in the last game of the season.

The point is, Calgary is about the same as a 3-time cup winning team that is apparently just starting their rebuild.

That 3-time cup-winning team started their rebuild several years ago. The Flames haven't started a rebuild yet, and you are including draft picks from their last rebuild, which ended several years ago.

Yes, they ended the rebuild much too soon. But it's still not a sound comparison.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

One of the most probable outcomes happened. It couldn't possibly have been by chance!

One day, maybe, the jokers running the NHL will realize that it is actually better to televise the drawing of the balls, so the public can see (what the auditors already know) that it is done fairly, than to televise Bill Daly's ugly mug while he holds up cards with team logos one after another.

In the meantime, if I were going to go to the trouble of fixing a lottery, I wouldn't bother with this one. Nobody knows who the two best players are, so the value of picking #1 or #2 is the lowest it's ever been.

16% chance and 10% chance

People always say this when the last place team wins the lottery...even though its far more likely they don't get #1

They have the best odds of any individual team yet its still not likely they win VS. everyone else combined

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dino7c

16% chance and 10% chance

People always say this when the last place team wins the lottery...even though its far more likely they don't get #1

They have the best odds of any individual team yet its still not likely they win VS. everyone else combined

So that means the lottery was fixed?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

So that means the lottery was fixed?

Who knows, its not like they actually show anything

Wouldn't be the first time though...after the McDavid thing and how things have been going with Buffalo I wouldn't be surprised.

League is pretty pleased with Seattle moving up too I think