Seattle Expansion Draft Speculation

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Well New Era’s original point was that Seattle would have better depth (quite possible) and better development system (impossible to predict) and better coaching (nope). Not actually more points. There is some logic, they won’t have high end talent but should be able to piece together a deep roster. Yay.

Then some other dude who hasn’t stated an opinion on Seattle just sounds like he’s trying to flash his wad of cash. He was made the offer of an even up bet and declined. He hasn’t actually said what he thinks about Seattle, has he?

Not sure I would say that just yet.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Toonage

GMs said they learned but I think the flat cap changes all that. I could see them giving up young players and picks for Seattle to take bad contracts with them.

This is 100% accurate. GMs overvalued cap space in the last expansion draft, it's even more valuable in the next three years.

In Calgary's situation there is no chance in hell Seattle takes Gio without a sweetener.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

This is 100% accurate. GMs overvalued cap space in the last expansion draft, it's even more valuable in the next three years.

In Calgary's situation there is no chance in hell Seattle takes Gio without a sweetener.

I think the sweetener is Gio's value at the trade deadline as an expiring contract.

And it's not like there is anyone else to really pick.

Plus Gio is still pretty good. Perfect deadline acquisition I think.

But it likely depends on what offers they get to take worse contracts.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think the sweetener is Gio's value at the trade deadline as an expiring contract.

And it's not like there is anyone else to really pick.

Plus Gio is still pretty good. Perfect deadline acquisition I think.

But it likely depends on what offers they get to take worse contracts.

Good point. Also depends on Francis' philosophy. Are you picking players to build around or are you trying to ice the best possible team short term?

Unless the Flames have deal in place to unload a contract I think they take Kylington.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Good point. Also depends on Francis' philosophy. Are you picking players to build around or are you trying to ice the best possible team short term?

Unless the Flames have deal in place to unload a contract I think they take Kylington.

I guess time will tell. I think Kylington has zero value. Which you might think is higher that Gio’s negative value. I don’t.


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[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Good point. Also depends on Francis' philosophy. Are you picking players to build around or are you trying to ice the best possible team short term?

Unless the Flames have deal in place to unload a contract I think they take Kylington.

Don't discount that Francis will be looking for leadership and players that set a good example. It's a room full of players that haven't played together before with no history so they will need some strong leaders in the locker room. Also Gio will probably be the best defensemen available to them in terms of on ice play as he's still a legit top 4 defenseman that can play 20 minuts a game. I don't see why they would pass on Gio for Kylington who they can pick up on waivers in October. IMO the only way they don't pick Gio is if the Flames make a deal with them (which I hope doesn't happen of course).

[krynski]

Kylington hasn't yet shown what it takes to be a full-time NHL defenseman. Yes, there is still time to develop, but Seattle is going to need solid players on their roster. IMO, there are other teams/players that they can look at snapping up prospects, as there are other teams that arguably have deeper cupboards than the Flames do.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by New Era

Naw, it's obnoxious internet tough guy bull####. Instead of trying to debate or counter the position all it did was distract from the point made. The reality is that the Kraken will likely have 25-30 NHL players to pick their active roster from. That is more than the Flames will have. Try to deny that fact. The Flames will not have that luxury. Care to actually debate that, or would you prefer to continue to play these stupid little games? I'll even let you use a spreadsheet if it will give you a little more confidence to engage in actual discussion.

I think it's a predictable response for the hyperbole and bravado that you bring to every topic.

If you're going to swing an axe every second day, don't be surprised if you get called on it once and a while.

Don't you think some might find the way you talk down to people as "obnoxious internet tough guy"?

[shutout]

The other piece that made Vegas a contending team was the intangible cohesiveness of the team. How well they came together and played for each other. Not a bunch of individuals looking to prove themselves, but they quickly became a close knit team that cared about the community and the organization.

As horrific as it was, I do not think that the Vegas team gels as well and as quickly as they did without the strip shooting happening just before the start of the season. Gave the organization and the players a chance to come together and work as a team and realize that hockey is not the most important before they had to work as a team on the ice. I think that was a huge factor in how they did their first year.

Once you start to win you create that internal confidence. Same way that other expansion teams would have poor losing seasons that would become the mental and emotional identity for a handful of years after because they just believed that they could not compete.

[shutout]

Other factor for Vegas compared to Seattle is that its Vegas.
I am pretty sure that there were a number of teams that were not prepared to play or play well after hitting Vegas a day or two before a game.
A home ice advantage that Seattle wont have.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by shutout

Other factor for Vegas compared to Seattle is that its Vegas.
I am pretty sure that there were a number of teams that were not prepared to play or play well after hitting Vegas a day or two before a game.
A home ice advantage that Seattle wont have.

I’m convinced Vegas flu is a real thing.

[Skyceman]

Does Gio have any no-trade/movement clauses in his contract?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Skyceman

Does Gio have any no-trade/movement clauses in his contract?

Limited NTC.

List of 19 teams he can be traded too.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Skyceman

Does Gio have any no-trade/movement clauses in his contract?

19 team NTC. Pretty weak as far as those clauses go.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Limited NTC.

List of 19 teams he can be traded too.

Which is pretty weak. A stronger NTC probably would have made him less likely to get picked in the expansion draft, as you'd have to think part of the attraction to Seattle would be flipping him at the deadline.

[transplant99]

Well sure but when the deal was signed, Seattle wasn't even a thought.

It was a good NTC for the Flames as it gave them a much larger berth to deal him if they had chosen to do so.

Most, it seems, are 8 or fewer teams.

[Lanny_McDonald]

To back up the hyperbole and bravado, here's a kick at the cat for Seattle's expansion picks.

Anaheim - Jacob Larsson (LD) $1.2M [RFA 2022]
Arizona - Ilya Lyubushkin (RD) $1M [UFA 2022]
Boston - Jeremy Lauzon (LD/RD) $85K [RFA 2022]
Buffalo - Cody Eakin (C) $2.25M [UFA 2022]
Calgary - Milan Lucic* (LW) $6M [UFA 2023]
Carolina - Jake Bean (LD/RD) $864K [RFA 2021]
Chicago - Nikita Zadorov (LD/RD) $3.2M [RFA 2021]
Colorado - JT Compher (C/RW) $3.5M [UFA 2023]
Columbus - Matiss Livlenieks (G) $725K [RFA 2022]
Dallas - Jason Dickinson (C) $1.5M [RFA 2021]
Detroit - Christian Djoos (LD) $1M [RFA 2021]
Edmonton - Kyle Turris (C) $1.65M [UFA 2022]
Florida - Radko Gudas (RD) $2.5M [UFA 2023]
Los Angeles - Kurtis MacDermid (LD/RD) $875K [UFA 2022]
Minnesota - Matt Dumba** (RD) $6M [UFA 2023]
Montreal - Brett Kulak (LD) $1.85M [UFA 2022]
Nashville - Luke Kunin (RW) $2.3M [RFA 2022]
New Jersey - Janne Kuokkanen (C) $812K [RFA 2021]
Islanders - Cal Clutterbuck (RW) $3.5M [UFA 2022]
Rangers - Julien Gauthier (RW) $864K [RFA 2021]
Ottawa - Austin Watson (RW) $1.5 [RFA 2023]
Philadelphia - Scott Laughton (LW) $2.3M [UFA 2026]
Pittsburgh - Jared McCann (LW) $2.94M [RFA 2022]
San Jose - Josef Korenar (G) $724K [RFA 2021]
St. Louis - Ivan Barbashev (C) $1.475M [RFA 2021]
Tampa - Tyler Johnson*** (RW) $5M [UFA 2024]
Toronto - Justin Holl (RD) $2M [UFA 2023]
Vancouver - Braden Holtby**** (G) $4.3M [UFA 2022]
Washington - Daniel Sprong (RW) $725K [RFA 2022]
Winnipeg - Adam Lowry (C) $2.916M [UFA 2026]

*Calgary sends a 2022 2nd round pick and Carl-Johan Lerby to the Kraken to select Lucic
**Minnesota sends a 2021 2nd round pick, and 2022 3rd round pick to the Kraken to select Dumba
***Tampa sends a 2021 2nd round pick and a 2022 2nd round pick to the Kraken to select Johnson
****Vancouver sends a 2021 4th round pick to the Kraken to select Holtby

Laughton-Johnson-Compher
McCann-Turris-Kunin
Barbashev-Kuokkanen-Gauthier
Lucic-Lowry-Clutterbuck
Watson-Eakin-Sprong
Dickinson

Lauzon-Dumba
Zadorov-Gudas
Kulak-Holl
Larsson-Lyubushkin
Djoos-MacDermid
Bean

Holtby
Kivlenieks
Korenar

$56.515M cap hit, around $25M in available cap space.

[dino7c]

I think it would cost Vancouver more than a 4th for them to take Holtby. I think they take Allen from Montreal...seems like a lock.

[TheIronMaiden]

A long shot.

Derek Ryan is a Washington man, could he be a hometown veteran / warm body at the even the same way that Engelland was?

[cannon7]

A mock draft from 5/7:

PROJECTED TEAM CAP HIT: $69.26M

FORWARDS (15)

Mason Appleton, Jets, Contract: $900K to 2022 (RFA)
Nicolas Aube-Kubel, Flyers, Contract: $1.08M to 2022 (RFA)
Kieffer Bellows, Islanders, Contract: 2021 RFA
Tyler Benson, Oilers, Contract: 2021 RFA
Dylan Gambrell, Sharks, Contract: 2021 RFA
Brett Howden, Rangers, Contract: 2021 RFA
Ryan Johansen, Predators, Contract: $8M to 2025 (UFA)
Andreas Johnsson, Devils, Contract: $3.4M to 2023 (UFA)
Mathieu Joseph, Lightning, Contract: $738K to 2022 (RFA)
Alexander Kerfoot, Maple Leafs, Contract: $3.5M to 2023 (UFA)
Jared McCann, Penguins, Contract: $2.94M to 2022 (RFA)
T.J. Oshie, Capitals, Contract: $5.75M to 2025 (UFA)
Eric Robinson, Blue Jackets, Contract: $975K to 2022 (UFA)
Chris Tierney, Senators, Contract: $3.5M to 2022 (UFA)
Austin Wagner, Kings, Contract: $1.13M to 2023 (RFA)

DEFENSEMEN (11)

Calvin de Haan, Blackhawks, Contract: $4.55M to 2022 (UFA)
Christian Djoos, Red Wings, Contract: 2021 RFA
Vince Dunn, Blues, Contract: 2021 RFA
Ryan Graves, Avalanche, Contract: $3.17M to 2023 (UFA)
Radko Gudas, Panthers, Contract: $2.5M to 2023 (UFA)
Oliver Kylington, Flames, Contract: 2021 RFA
Jeremy Lauzon, Bruins, Contract: $850K to 2022 (RFA)
Colin Miller, Sabres, Contract: $3.88M to 2022 (UFA)
Kevin Shattenkirk, Ducks, Contract: $3.9M to 2023 (UFA)
Brady Skjei, Hurricanes, Contract: $5.25M to 2024 UFA)
Carson Soucy, Wild, Contract: $2.75M to 2023 (UFA)

GOALTENDERS (4)

Jake Allen, Canadiens, Contract: $2.88M to 2023 (UFA)
Adin Hill, Coyotes, Contract: 2021 RFA
Braden Holtby, Canucks, Contract: $4.3M to 2022 (UFA)
Anton Khudobin, Stars, Contract: $3.33 M to 2023 (UFA)

Source: https://www.si.com/hockey/the-hockey...uffle-the-deck

There are enough good goalies going unprotected that the Kraken can likely flip one.

Kraken could still take Giordano over Kylington if they want, Devin Toews may also be exposed. If any of Leddy, Dumba or D. Toews are available, I probably take Henrique over Shattenkirk. I take Sharangovich over Johnsson if available, too. Bennett may also be exposed by the Panthers.

Then there's hometown guys like Derek Ryan that the Kraken will ikely want to snap up on the UFA market.

Suffice to say, the Kraken will have plenty of depth, especially on the blueline and in net -- which they can parlay into more top-end help upfront. I frankly don't understand why anyone thinks this won't be a VGK repeat. Sure, they may not get lucky with deals like VGK got with the PAnters, but they'll still have a solid roster on opening day.