[PGT] Flames 6 Canucks 5

[bubbsy]

man this is a dumb ass franchise.

Giordano leads all skaters with 27 minutes of ice time. Lindholm gets 24.

Ruzicka gets less than 10.

Hats off Sutter. at this stage, playing to win is quite simply an ego trip, "see I got them to within 2 points that season I was brought in".

Joke of a team/franchise.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Yeah, this is exactly my problem. Our players don't give a crap about the success of the franchise, they give a crap about statistics and image from moment to moment. That's why they get dominated by real pros.

I still think this is more on the coaching. I don’t think either team is trying that hard out there but we need to be dressing the kids and not playing our top players all the time.

I feel like if the team really mails it in and loses then Sutter makes their lives more difficult. They are putting in the minimum effort and still winning because the Canucks are playing with a far more depleted lineup.

Hockey players play to win the game not strategically lose to pick a handful of spots higher in the draft. The beef is with how the people in power are deploying the players not the players themselves

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Hockey players play to win the game not strategically lose to pick a handful of spots higher in the draft.

Especially when there's a 50-50 chance if not less that they'll ever end up playing with whoever gets drafted in that spot.

[Northendzone]

with this long win streak to end the season, the players are going to feel 10 feet tall and bulletproof over the summer.

They will be training with their boys and chirping on them hard on how h\they ripped off a few wins to wrap up the season.

Sets up us well for the 2021-2022 campaign

[Flame On]

Just as infuriating as the team this year is us!
On the GDT it's all "just win" "show some heart" "let's see what the young guys can do".
Then they go out and do all that which is enough to win, and it's "they suck" "losing culture" "why are they trying."
Big sigh from me.

[Strange Brew]

Anyone else have the sense that Sutter and Treliving are not really sympatico?

The recurring comments about the club not having enough offensive talent can't be something a GM on the job for seven years wants to hear.

[Robbob]

Athletes are wired to play to win, that is what got them here. I don't fault the players for playing to win. A lot of them are playing for their next contract or a spot in the NHL. You have bigger issues on your team if you have players that don't have that mindset. As much as I want to bring up the heat, the 4 recall rule kind of stops that from happening.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

I didn’t see the game. How did the farm hands look?

Mackey looked good, had a fight.

I didn’t see enough of Ruzicka to say either way.

[DomeFoam]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Anyone else have the sense that Sutter and Treliving are not really sympatico?

The recurring comments about the club not having enough offensive talent can't be something a GM on the job for seven years wants to hear.

I would definitely say Sutter is someone who knows what it takes to win and when he came here and saw the group Treliving believes is supposed to win he probably had a good laugh.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Anyone else have the sense that Sutter and Treliving are not really sympatico?

The recurring comments about the club not having enough offensive talent can't be something a GM on the job for seven years wants to hear.

The smoke is at forest fire level at this point I feel. It felt that when he was hired that it was very strongly an ownership decision that was forced upon Treliving, and now with Sutter's comments the past couple of post games, he's coming off very critical of the work his 'boss' has complied. Even saying things that he was brought in to "straighten things out."

I think his true boss are the owners, and Darryl's input will hold a lot of weight in Treliving's fate as the GM by the end of this week - if he's even still internally at this point. The complete radio silence after elimination, and even moreso since trade deadline is telling for someone that's on the hot seat.

Kinda wonder also with John Davidson vacancy, if ownership is doing behind the scenes work to bring him in a president ops since that's a vacant position that really should be filled.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Anyone else have the sense that Sutter and Treliving are not really sympatico?

The recurring comments about the club not having enough offensive talent can't be something a GM on the job for seven years wants to hear.

Sutter knows Tre is a dead man walking.

[Macman]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Anyone else have the sense that Sutter and Treliving are not really sympatico?

The recurring comments about the club not having enough offensive talent can't be something a GM on the job for seven years wants to hear.

I would think that Brad Treliving recognizes his own shortcomings as far as the team is concerned. Sutter is only saying what everyone else can see and many people have posted here. It's coming from Darryl that's the difference and that's probably why he was brought in here and it's been said, to evaluate.

If you look at the Flames org chart, there's only one person between Treliving and the ownership group and that's John Bean, President and CEO.

Sure, the owners can see the team isn't playing that great and missed the playoffs but the intricacies of everything still have to be evaluated.

And that's why I believe there will changes. Maybe Brad stays but some other people will go for sure.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Flame On

Just as infuriating as the team this year is us!
On the GDT it's all "just win" "show some heart" "let's see what the young guys can do".
Then they go out and do all that which is enough to win, and it's "they suck" "losing culture" "why are they trying."
Big sigh from me.

Hm. I think you're not looking at it within the context of the entire game, let alone the season as a whole.

Sure, their effort was 'enough to win.' Against a terrible opponent and even then just barely, in overtime (which is a crapshoot) and papers over the fact that they blew a 4-goal lead in the 3rd period.

Somehow I'm skeptical that Sutter sauntered into the dressing room afterwards issuing high-fives and proclaiming:

"Great game boys! You did just enough to win!!"

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Joborule

The smoke is at forest fire level at this point I feel. It felt that when he was hired that it was very strongly an ownership decision that was forced upon Treliving, and now with Sutter's comments the past couple of post games, he's coming off very critical of the work his 'boss' has complied. Even saying things that he was brought in to "straighten things out."

I think his true boss are the owners, and Darryl's input will hold a lot of weight in Treliving's fate as the GM by the end of this week - if he's even still internally at this point. The complete radio silence after elimination, and even moreso since trade deadline is telling for someone that's on the hot seat.

If Treliving’s fate is in Sutter’s hands, this franchise is dysfunctional.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I saw this and I bust a gut.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1394118001578938369

Logged in just to thank this post.

"One of these things is not like the other one".

Too funny!

[Toonage]

^^ The franchise was clearly dysfunctional before that hiring.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Macman

I would think that Brad Treliving recognizes his own shortcomings as far as the team is concerned. Sutter is only saying what everyone else can see and many people have posted here. It's coming from Darryl that's the difference and that's probably why he was brought in here and it's been said, to evaluate.

If you look at the Flames org chart, there's only one person between Treliving and the ownership group and that's John Bean, President and CEO.

Sure, the owners can see the team isn't playing that great and missed the playoffs but the intricacies of everything still have to be evaluated.

And that's why I believe there will changes. Maybe Brad stays but some other people will go for sure.

This is why I’ve been thinking maybe Tre becomes the President of Hockey Operations - basically Burke’s old position since Bean in atop the entire CSEC.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If Treliving’s fate is in Sutter’s hands, this franchise is dysfunctional.

Newsflash.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

man this is a dumb ass franchise.

Giordano leads all skaters with 27 minutes of ice time. Lindholm gets 24.

Ruzicka gets less than 10.

Hats off Sutter. at this stage, playing to win is quite simply an ego trip, "see I got them to within 2 points that season I was brought in".

Joke of a team/franchise.

Imagine an NHL head coach trying to win!

[Monahammer]

Athletes are wired to play to win?!! Did y'all even watch this season?

Our guys only play to win when there's no competition.