2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

I think Johnny and, or Monahan could have been traded for players that fit the top line. Now that both have somewhat declined, the opportunity to bring in key players is somewhat diminished. I liked that we got something for Doug and Ferland, but too often we seem to hang onto players past due date "Iggy"

I have been a big Sam Bennett fan, but there is a time we probably could have garnered a good asset by trading him. I think the Flames need to trade quality to get back what we need to improve the team.

Well Iggy was in his mid 30s and the window had closed on him being the primary centrepiece and driver of a contender

Given the ages of the players on the Flames now, the situation is quite different

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Red_Baron

So, who signed all those players that no other team wants anyways?
I can see why he's not too excited to talk about that.

He’s not Kreskin.

2 years ago, something happened that totally changed the trajectory of Gaudreau and Monahan.

2 plus years ago, those players looked like steals on their current contracts. Since then, on their 3rd coach, they have been extremely disappointing.

Would you have traded them after the playoff loss to the AVs?

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Well Iggy was in his mid 30s and the window had closed on him being the primary centrepiece and driver of a contender

Given the ages of the players on the Flames now, the situation is quite different

We can say there is 2 sides to that. It got to the point where Iggy was not really helping the team. I think we still could have gotten a good return if we had traded him sooner. My point is, good teams cycle players in and out and often trade good players to acquire the players they need. They stay relevant, they take risks and they grow. Some teams dive "deeper" down into the draft occasionally and get rewarded. This cycling helps them keep growing and or they trade good pieces and to get good pieces back.

Hard to decipher what the Flames plan is? We add pieces that don't fit, we turn around and get rid of those same players while eating up more wasted cap space. We keep players like GIO when he might have gotten us a first. I totally understand the desire to keep him, but the Flames are falling behind other teams in our asset and talent pool. A bit stuck in the mud. Flames need to take more risks and not fall in love with the current players.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

I think Johnny and, or Monahan could have been traded for players that fit the top line. Now that both have somewhat declined, the opportunity to bring in key players is somewhat diminished. I liked that we got something for Doug and Ferland, but too often we seem to hang onto players past due date "Iggy"

I have been a big Sam Bennett fan, but there is a time we probably could have garnered a good asset by trading him. I think the Flames need to trade quality to get back what we need to improve the team.

I think it’s speculated that both Johnny and Monny were available in the off-season if Treliving liked the return.

The fact that neither was traded seemed to indicate that the return wasn’t good enough, and Treliving hoped both would rebound and perhaps increase their trade value.

Unfortunately the opposite happened.


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[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by timbit

He’s not Kreskin.

2 years ago, something happened that totally changed the trajectory of Gaudreau and Monahan.

2 plus years ago, those players looked like steals on their current contracts. Since then, on their 3rd coach, they have been extremely disappointing.

Would you have traded them after the playoff loss to the AVs?

You can add Backlund, Lucic, Giordano and possibly Anderson to that list. Upwards of nearly 50 percent of your team salaries are very difficult to move. It would be hard to find another team that has as much salary space that is difficult to move as Calgary has.

The good news is that in 2-3 years we clear out that cap space. This team is in a similar situation with the cap as in 2010, so we have been here before.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I don't think Gaudreau and Monahan have difficult salaries to move, except that any money moving in COVID is harder. Just that the value has dropped.
I also think Andersson would be easy to move. He's had one bad short-season.
Doesn't mean a young player that has shown strong promise and growth doesn't have value.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think it’s speculated that both Johnny and Monny were available in the off-season if Treliving liked the return.

The fact that neither was traded seemed to indicate that the return wasn’t good enough, and Treliving hoped both would rebound and perhaps increase their trade value.

Unfortunately the opposite happened.


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Maybe we waited too long?

Flames need to stay competitive without adding more deadweight, or letting players walk. Would like to see us trading players sooner, possibly packaging them for firsts.

Waiting until players values diminish is poor asset management.

[wired]

In my opinion, The Flames should have traded Iggy before they signed him to his last contract.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by wired

In my opinion, The Flames should have traded Iggy before they signed him to his last contract.

When he was a UFA?

Coming off a 50 goal 98 point season?

Or the year before where he got 94 points in 70 games? That 110 point pace would have put him behind only Crosby and Thornton

Sure...
Ok

[dammage79]

I dont know what the plan is now for the Flames. Always seems like there's a stubbornness to the organization moving their top assets until its too late.

And there always seems to be circumstances that hinder their ability to do anything about it (flat cap this year).

IMO, Tree has this incredible stubbornness Ientioned towards his core. And all they do is throw it in his face with their effort.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dammage79

IMO, Tree has this incredible stubbornness Ientioned towards his core.

I don't know what this means.

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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Maybe we waited too long?

Flames need to stay competitive without adding more deadweight, or letting players walk. Would like to see us trading players sooner, possibly packaging them for firsts.

Waiting until players values diminish is poor asset management.

In hindsight yes.

But who really knew their values would diminish?

I think there was a real chance they would bounce back, plus it appears their value wasn’t as high as hoped.


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't think Gaudreau and Monahan have difficult salaries to move, except that any money moving in COVID is harder. Just that the value has dropped.
I also think Andersson would be easy to move. He's had one bad short-season.
Doesn't mean a young player that has shown strong promise and growth doesn't have value.

Certainly not Johnny or Anderson’s contract.

Monny is a different story. He’s just a shadow of his former self.


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[bubbsy]

Man, may be it's the long week talking, but the flames are in a pathetic place.

Not going to just rebuild, which they should.

If they do decide to move on from their core, most, if not all, are at all time lows in trade value.

The pandemic, the frozen cap, makes it the hardest time to make drastic changes.

They just hired a win now coach.

It's going to be a long time before this team is good again....

[Geeoff]

I think the Flames' best chance right now is for Zary to develop into a 1C

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I think the Flames' best chance right now is for Zary to develop into a 1C

That would be pretty cool, but would the hockey gods ever allow it?

[drewtastic]

A bit off topic here, but the Derek Ryan to The Chuck rumours I've been reading in various CP threads lately totally suck. Ryan is the type of player that I gravitate to most (...which, given my luck, is probably exactly why he will end up a [C]oiler...).

I get the whole "U of A" connection, but the thing is that he's the exact kind of player they need--a consistent, solid, veteran presence who can play up the roster and can help stabilize the team.

If the Flames are trying to get value out of him, fine, but just no trade to EDM.

(And whether he's traded at the deadline or not, I think the Flames would do well to re-sign him as a UFA, just to a smaller contract. I think he can still contribute for at least two more seasons, especially if he's mostly playing as a fourth line centre.)

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I think the Flames' best chance right now is for Zary to develop into a 1C

Not to be a wet blanket but how many 24th pick players develop into number one centers? I thought the hope was that he'd be an nhl'er.

[aaronkarlpatton]

Originally Posted by chedder

Not to be a wet blanket but how many 24th pick players develop into number one centers? I thought the hope was that he'd be an nhl'er.

Well that's fair, but there have been alot of players drafted out of the first round that have become stars and superstars. So here hoping

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[Two Fivenagame]

There was a guy from Calgary drafted something like 70th and he's pretty good.