[Rumour] TSN: Flames likely to be quiet at the trade deadline

[1qqaaz]

If I recall correctly, Colorado was absolutely terrible in the last 2 months of that season. They were tanking hard. As disgraceful as it was, it got them into a good spot for landing MacKinnon/Barkov.

Calgary ended up finishing 5-5 in the last 10 games. If the Flames had finished 3-7, they would have had the 2nd best odds (Colorado's lottery-winning spot). Calgary, Carolina, Nashville, Tampa and Colorado were all within 3 points.

That's why the Flames should ship away all of the UFAs. Even one game can make a large outcome in the draft order.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by MrMike

If we’re looking to rebuild, you figure out a way to make Backlund be the most enticing player for Seattle to take.

Wouldn’t it make more sense to trade him for assets?

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

If I recall correctly, Colorado was absolutely terrible in the last 2 months of that season. They were tanking hard. As disgraceful as it was, it got them into a good spot for landing MacKinnon/Barkov.

Calgary ended up finishing 5-5 in the last 10 games. If the Flames had finished 3-7, they would have had the 2nd best odds (Colorado's lottery-winning spot). Calgary, Carolina, Nashville, Tampa and Colorado were all within 3 points.

That's why the Flames should ship away all of the UFAs. Even one game can make a large outcome in the draft order.

It's amplified in a shorter season for sure. Tampa Bay had no business being as bad as they were that year, but crashed hard.

I like a lot of the moves Sakic has made as GM in Colorado and he didn't become GM until after that season ended...Would be fun to jump that bandwagon now....but I can't like that team because Alex Tanguay was pretty much crying on the bench and the Flames looked completely lost knowing they had gotten rid of Iginla...yet still beat an Avalanche team who clearly made a point to not win that game. Them Nashville, and Tampa all tanked pretty hard knowing it was a short season when they were out of it...they all benefitted quite a bit.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

In 2013? Who?

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I never realized 8 years ago was a few years ago?


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Not if calgary retains some dough. Florida should be going all in this year and next. Gio as a 5/6 would probably thrive and be a really nice piece. Quennville was hired for these scenarios to happen, and they're happening. Florida's window is the next 2-3 years.

Unless Calgary is fully committed to a rebuild, they aren’t going to be retaining much if any salary. And there is nothing about hiring Sutter which suggests they are fully committed to a rebuild.


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[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Yeah, I don't really care if the Flames get low-balled.
Just ship Rittich, Ryan and Bennett off to the highest bidders.
We'll know Brad tried.

Mike Cammalleri had 45 points in 63 games (I'm not sure what he totals were pre-deadline), and then Burke refused to trade him for an insufficient pick.
He then walked as a UFA and the Flames had nothing to show for it. Don't let that happen again.

Quoted for truth. Of all the goofy things Burke did, this was one of the goofiest. He was so concerned about the Flames getting lowballed that we lost Cammy for literally nothing. So dumb.

In 2021 are teams looking back at the Flames standing firm that day and thinking they now need to offer us a 2nd because lessons were learned on that fateful day?

Such a dumb position to take and the Flames were once again losers on that outcome. If a pending UFA is going to leave for nothing like some guys are, trade them 7th rounders or whatever. Don't let them leave for nothing. It's one thing if it's a hockey trade you obviously don't take the lowball trade. But for a pending UFA, get something anything for a guy who is leaving regardless.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Mike Cammalleri had 45 points in 63 games (I'm not sure what he totals were pre-deadline), and then Burke refused to trade him for an insufficient pick.

That was a ridiculous year for Cammalleri. He had 22 points in 44 games before the trade deadline, then he had 23 in 19 games after the deadline.

He was tied for third overall in points after the trade deadline that year. If anyone would have seen that coming, Burke would definitely have received what he was asking for.

[CroFlames]

We'll probably never know the truth, but I hope that the GM approached Gio and asked him if he wants to be traded to a contender.

I'm a big believer in asset management over anything else, but for a special player like Gio, I think the club owes him the opportunity if he wants it. He may just choose to ride it out into the sunset in Calgary and that's OK too.

This isn't about the return. It's about letting Gio chase the dream.

[Azhouse]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Things can come together quickly with proper asset and cap management.

OMG we’re screwed.

[Johnhitbox]

Plot twist.

Sam Bennett doesn't get traded, he becomes the new captain and leads the team with 4 goals in 2022.

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[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

We'll probably never know the truth, but I hope that the GM approached Gio and asked him if he wants to be traded to a contender.

I'm a big believer in asset management over anything else, but for a special player like Gio, I think the club owes him the opportunity if he wants it. He may just choose to ride it out into the sunset in Calgary and that's OK too.

This isn't about the return. It's about letting Gio chase the dream.

Fully agree with this. If he wants to ride it out, then that’s fine by me. He deserves it. Maybe he’d chase a cup elsewhere and then come back to us on a cheap deal to give it one more kick in the can. Probably not though.

I want him to win a cup. His story as an undrafted player is an inspiration to many.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

They were also the 2nd worst team in the league that season, so while yes - it’s “luck” but they put themselves in the situation to get lucky. The worst team in the league that year was Florida, who got Barkov.

As of today the Flames would draft 7th in this summer’s draft (pending the lottery). The goal for the remainder of this season should be to bottom out as hard as they can...

This is only part of the story, though. Colorado won the Draft Lottery in 2013, but they were shuffling between middling and terrible for years before then. In 2008 they finished 10th, then 28th, 12th, 29th, and then 20th before again finishing bad enough to finally win the MacKinnon sweepstakes in 2013. They did not just decide in 2013 to start rebuilding and took off from there.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Colorado sort of went thru one rebuild where they drafted Landeskog and Duchene pretty high twice in 3 years plus got O'Reilly with their second round pick in the Duchene draft and Tyson Barrie in round 4. That first year with those two they made a surprise playoff appearance, fell back, looked on the way up again but eventually fell back pretty hard and traded off nearly everyone from that entire group except for Landeskog and drafted in a new core of MacKinnon, Raantenen, Makar plus added some other good pieces like Girard, Grubauer, Burakovski, and Kadri in trades...

Well, not exactly. Duchene was moved because he requested a trade, and that didn't happen until 2017. O'Reilly was traded in 2015, and Tyson Barrie was moved just last year. It is more accurate to say that Colorado moved these players because they could afford to, after having drafted the likes of MacKinnon, Raantenen and Makar.

[Tkachukwagon]

TSN Insider Trading for the Flames "quiet deadline" bothers me. If this was the Leafs or Oilers having a bad season, TSN would be working overtime to pump up their UFAs and trade options.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

We'll probably never know the truth, but I hope that the GM approached Gio and asked him if he wants to be traded to a contender.

I'm a big believer in asset management over anything else, but for a special player like Gio, I think the club owes him the opportunity if he wants it. He may just choose to ride it out into the sunset in Calgary and that's OK too.

This isn't about the return. It's about letting Gio chase the dream.

If you really wanted to read in to Stajan’s comments last game it’s not entirely impossible

First point is that Staj in the previous game said he and his family are really close with Gio. So he may know a bit more than he lets on

Then last game I thought he alluded to not knowing what was happening with the Flames, but could’ve sworn there was an ‘if’ the Flames wanted to give Gio an opportunity based on all he’s done for the organization

(This may or may not be Friedman level dirt mining)

[Strange Brew]

I certainly hope the Flames do something. You need to try and improve the team for the future, for the present, something. I think we've seen what happens when you leave things alone. I

t's going to take more than UFA's to change things around here.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

This isn't about the return. It's about letting Gio chase the dream.

It should be about both. Even Warrener mentioned yesterday that the GM should be looking out what's best for the future of the team rather than being overly worried about how Gio feels about being moved. Pretty well any team willing to trade for Gio views themselves as a cup contender so it's not like he's going to get traded to the Coyotes or Sabres. He would be moved to a team that has a chance to win a cup.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Wouldn’t it make more sense to trade him for assets?

I see him and the rest of his contract as unreadable, especially with a flat cap. I could be wrong but I don’t see anyone trading for him.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

TSN Insider Trading for the Flames "quiet deadline" bothers me. If this was the Leafs or Oilers having a bad season, TSN would be working overtime to pump up their UFAs and trade options.

Most of their UFAs aren't that interesting.
Rittich and maybe Ryan.
The rest? Why would teams want our cruddy UFA to be players?

[activeStick]

But we're unhappy with how the season went and want moves to be made regardless the landscape!