2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by 868904

That's why you sign Hall in the Summer.

Then draft Wright and Bedard consecutively with 1st overalls = dynasty.

Oilers Made it look so easy...even if you are dead last (which is really hard) there is still over an 80% chance you don't get the pick.

Imagine getting 4 in 6 years

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Oilers Made it look so easy...even if you are dead last (which is really hard) there is still over an 80% chance you don't get the pick.

Imagine getting 4 in 6 years

If it they didn't luck out on McDavid then they would still be absolute garbage instead of mostly garbage.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They can beat the Oilers if need be...other than that I will laugh when they get pounded by the Avs or Lightning.

I think the Canadian div is giving some teams a false sense of how good they are.

Leafs are legitimately good I think.

Jets and Oilers are propped up by the Flames and Canucks falling off a cliff this year but the Leafs are a legitimately good team.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

I used to feel that way, but player/team loyalty is becoming less and less of a thing.

I think if there's a player that has been foundational to a team's success (core part of all those contending years, or those cup runs) that's one thing, but outside of iginla/kipper, I just don't think the flames must partake in that level of admiration and respect for anyone over the last decade, Giordano included (whom I love as a flame and everything he stands for).

Also, in my opinion, this team can't afford to be touchy/feely about their decisions at this point. Shrewd asset management is required, otherwise the odds of a bad few seasons becoming a bad decade increase exponentially.

To the point of "GioforPM" above, this isn't about dumping Giordano off either. This is likely a symbiotic move where he also gets a far better chance to make a run at a cup or 2 before calling it a career.

I'm not against trading him. I'm not against keeping him. I'm against trading him just because we have to get some value out of an expiring contract. My point was, not all teams can get valuable assets out of a player who may soon be retiring or seeking UFA and it is fine by me if Gio doesn't want to move. If he retires an "Eternal Flame" then we will see people bemoan the fact that the Flames are terrible for not getting something for him. I won't be one of those people.

[FlamesAddiction]

2023 will also have Michkov, so whether you are drafting 1st or 2nd, you will still get an almost guaranteed franchise defining player.

The Flames will draft 3rd overall that year.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

2023 will also have Michkov, so whether you are drafting 1st or 2nd, you will still get an almost guaranteed franchise defining player.

The Flames will draft 3rd overall that year.

This is the way.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Oilers Made it look so easy...even if you are dead last (which is really hard) there is still over an 80% chance you don't get the pick.

Imagine getting 4 in 6 years

No kidding. Ottawa has finished 30th or 31st for three straight seasons, and have still not drafted first.

What is even more ridiculous about the Oilers is the return they have received on all that ridiculously good fortune. Four #1 draft picks, including arguably the best player in the world, and six years later they still look like a bubble team.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Leafs are legitimately good I think.

Jets and Oilers are propped up by the Flames and Canucks falling off a cliff this year but the Leafs are a legitimately good team.

I think the Cup is a total crap shoot this year. The team that wins only needs to face 9 different teams, so it is really hard to get a read on where teams stand in the big picture.

Nine different teams...lol. I know the NHL never puts a literal asterisk next to Cup wins, but it's difficult to see this year as meaningful as a normal year.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think the Cup is a total crap shoot this year. The team that wins only needs to face 9 different teams, so it is really hard to get a read on where teams stand in the big picture.

Nine different teams...lol. I know the NHL never puts a literal asterisk next to Cup wins, but it's difficult to see this year as meaningful as a normal year.

Hell, the Play Ins last year had more legitimacy.

[dammage79]

What about this for Gaudreau??

To COL:
Gaudreau

To CGY:
2021 1st
Justin Barron
Val Nichushkin?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Leafs are legitimately good I think.

Jets and Oilers are propped up by the Flames and Canucks falling off a cliff this year but the Leafs are a legitimately good team.

I guess we will see, I think they are slightly above average. Tampa is gonna add Kucherov and they are better than the Leafs at every position IMO.

Flames have been better than the Leafs for long stretches they just can't finish. The big dogs don't have this problem.

Also, North champ probably won't have any home crowd vs. a full building in the US

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I guess we will see, I think they are slightly above average. Tampa is gonna add Kucherov and they are better than the Leafs at every position IMO.

Flames have been better than the Leafs for long stretches they just can't finish. The big dogs don't have this problem.

Also, North champ probably won't have any home crowd vs. a full building in the US

I think the Leafs still have suspect goaltending. It’s their only real weak spot. Anderson is inconsistent and Campbell is injury riddled. If they are super serious about a push, and if Calgary is serious about a complete retool, they trade Anderson and picks to Calgary for Markstrom.

Gio to Toronto sounds like it makes sense except they kind of have a Gio in Muzzin, Their D actually works pretty well.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dammage79

What about this for Gaudreau??

To COL:
Gaudreau

To CGY:
2021 1st
Justin Barron
Val Nichushkin?

Not a fan but this is the type of deal the Flames will likely have to make. Prefer if the 1st is 2022

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Not a fan but this is the type of deal the Flames will likely have to make. Prefer if the 1st is 2022

If there were a deal involving a prospect like Barron and a 1st, I think the Flames would be pretty happy.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Not a fan but this is the type of deal the Flames will likely have to make. Prefer if the 1st is 2022

I take that and run. Nichuskin is a useful player, barron is having a strong season. Pick will be low but at least it's a 1st and I think low first pick in 21 is actually way more valuable than a low 1st in 2022 because of confused scouting

[1qqaaz]

2023 is the draft to look at.

Bedard looks like he might be the best player since McDavid. Matvei Michkov, also 2023, might be the second best.

If there was a year to bottom out, 2023 would be the year.

I think Wright is better than anyone in 2021, but I don't think he's as good as either Bedard or Michkov.
Still very early, obviously. Especially for Michkov, who hasn't played in the KHL yet and is only 5'9.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Why would the Leafs give up so much for a bevy of under performing players?
Their best prospects plus multiple high picks?

Again if this is what people are expecting, ready yourselves for a hard reality check on what these guys are likely actually worth.

I get that people's opinion of Johnny has soured, I'm included on that list. But if the Leafs can add Johnny at a 3.375 cap hit for this year and next that is worth a ton IMO. They have a short window themselves to win the cup and this improves their team a ton. If there was no salary retained then I agree we won't get a that much but that cap hit is easily worth it for the leafs.

Their top prospects at this point IMO are not prospects that are high end prospects and are somewhat expendable for a top offensive talent like Johnny.

Gio has not been great but at times I wonder if Rasmus is the worst of the 2. Quite often he is a mess and Gio just isn't good enough to make up for his mistakes. Gio on a good team in a lessor of a role at $3.375 cap might be an ok add for that team as well. They would be legit cup contenders after this trade if they aren't already. But IMO this deal puts them in there with Tampa and Vegas type teams

Johnny setting up Mathews will end up in the back of the net quite a bit more than what Monahan is doing right now.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by dammage79

What about this for Gaudreau??

To COL:
Gaudreau

To CGY:
2021 1st
Justin Barron
Val Nichushkin?

Nichushkin is a defensive monster, the Avs would be wanting to unload Compher... in which case we can ask for another pick. 2021 2nd, a 2022 1st, a Compher, and Barron.

[Burn13]

Taylor Hall now a scratch until trade deadline.
2G all years yikes.

[bax]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Nichushkin is a defensive monster, the Avs would be wanting to unload Compher... in which case we can ask for another pick. 2021 2nd, a 2022 1st, a Compher, and Barron.

I would love to get Newhook in there somehow as well. Man Colorado is stacked.