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Old 04-05-2021, 11:23 PM   #141
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You honestly think Talbot would have those numbers here? Talbot had a disaster of a season last time he played behind a disaster of a team too
Exactly. Kipper ranged from .937 under full Sutter team to .908 or whatever under Keenan. All while being a ####ing awesome goalie. Not a coincidence
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Old 04-05-2021, 11:24 PM   #142
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You honestly think Talbot would have those numbers here? Talbot had a disaster of a season last time he played behind a disaster of a team too
Well Talbot outplayed Rittich and Rittich is outplaying Markstrom.

I mostly care about the contract though. Do I think Talbot would have earned his contract more than Markstrom is? Yes.

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Old 04-05-2021, 11:24 PM   #143
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Cambell was beaten 5 times too...he had dmen paying attention though and actually trying to clear pucks (pulled two off the goal line)
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Damn. I really want that mix of Horvath and Drasitil.
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Old 04-05-2021, 11:26 PM   #145
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Cambell was beaten 5 times too...he had dmen paying attention though and actually trying to clear pucks (pulled two off the goal line)

Well, yeah, and at the same time that’s getting a bit generous. He got enough of those ones to give his D enough time to keep them out.

Calgary D noticing a loose puck wouldn’t help, as Toronto clearly beat Marky and nearly put the puck through the twine

But the final score tells you what you need to know
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JG is no MS. Johnny is afraid out there. Marc was never afraid.
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Old 04-05-2021, 11:28 PM   #147
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That makes sense. But still interesting that the Canucks wanted to roll the dice with the unproven Demko. Although I recall Demko’s series being all-time against the Knights. So the Canucks likely had that fresh in their mind.

Im sure the debate can roll on about who’s to blame, but it’s hard not to be concerned about Markstrom and his contract. He’s only had two seasons where he played 60 games or more. And in those seasons he has very pedestrian numbers(averaging a 2.75 and .912) So are we looking at a career average goalie who has injury issues? Or someone who parlayed a career year into a UFA contract?
He's younger and they probably feel he has the potential to be just as good or better than Markstrom when he reaches his age. They would have loved to have had both but couldn't.

I'm not worried about Markstrom. This is a nightmare season where nothing is going right. I expect him to regress his last year or two but I think as long as the team doesn't have another season like this we will see him play like he did before he got injured.

If he is in fact still having symptoms that are affecting his concentration the team needs to consider shutting him down soon so he's ready for next season.
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Old 04-05-2021, 11:30 PM   #148
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This version of the "Find a Way (To Lose) Flames" is much less exciting.
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Damn. I really want that mix of Horvath and Drasitil.
Lol. I can't spell even when sober
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Old 04-05-2021, 11:33 PM   #150
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Meanwhile, the Flames let Talbot walk and he has 92.4% on the season, is on a team-friendly contract, and has a career 91.6%.
He wouldn't have those numbers though if he played on the Flames this season. And the same people bitching about Markstrom would be bitching about how Treliving decided to go with a tandem again rather than get someone like Markstrom.
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Old 04-05-2021, 11:37 PM   #151
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We need Aatu to go with Eetu.

Or Beniers.
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Old 04-05-2021, 11:38 PM   #152
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I wonder if the ownership would still make threats about moving the team at this point. They were smart to do it over the off-seasons.

If they DID move the team, we could probably apply for, receive, and draft an expansion team in a shorter period of time than Tre would take to get a winner here.
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He can be better sure but my eyes are the evidence. Most teams clear the front of the net for one.
My eyes see a goalie who has lost all confidence, who is playing small when there are scrambles in front and who is having a hard time tracking the puck. Every save is a bit of a battle for Markstrom right now.

Let’s look at the goals tonight:

1) Spezza - Bad coverage by the dmen but Markstrom still looks small in his net and is playing very passive. No real fault on Markstrom here IMO.

2) Matthews - Top of the circle, nice play by him and Nylander on the rush but that’s still a saveable shot. Matthews beats a lot of goalies clean from there though, so we will give him a pass on that one too.

3) Simmonds - Honestly he should save this one. Super late reading the developing play, should be able to get across to get a pad on the soft deflection from a falling down Simmonds.

Didn’t track the puck well at all and seems to lose his net a bit. There should not be that much room at the back door and the dmen were draped all over Simmonds leading to it being a soft deflection. Not like Simmonds was wide open back door and able to hammer it home.

A horrible time to give up a goal right after they tie it.

4) Matthews - Defense needs to do a better job of clearing out, but the whole play starts because he doesn’t catch what should have been a routine save and bobbles the rebound right in front of himself.

If he’s going to live up to that contract he needs to catch that first shot cleanly.

5) Tavares - Again a puck battle between Dube and Tavares ends up with a scrambled shot for Tavares but honestly Markstrom shouldn’t be getting beat that clean from there. Even if the puck goes in you’d hope that Markstrom gets a piece of it, but again he’s slow to see the play develop.

Tavares goal is similar to the McDavid game winner the other night. Not a soft goal but a big save would be nice under the circumstances since it’s a saveable shot.

Like I said he’s not letting in soft goals but you’d want him to save at least one and preferably two of these goals tonight. You’re okay if he lets in three of these goals but he can’t let in all 5 of them. Especially the last three goals - based on the timing he really needs to make at least one of those saves for you.

And once again nothing here that screams “Flames give up higher quality high danger chances against than other teams do”, they just aren’t getting big saves.

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Can we just swap with Seattle?

Calgary Kraken has a better ring to it anyways.
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Old 04-05-2021, 11:42 PM   #155
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Eh, I like that they're tanking.

I mean, I don't know if anyone's actually said that out loud, but if it looks like a tank, its probably a tank.

In a normal season you could justify giving a crap because people would still be paying for tickets, but this season there's really no reason why anyone should care anymore. It's been over for a while, just tanky tanky tank all the way.
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Old 04-05-2021, 11:42 PM   #156
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My eyes see a goalie who has lost all confidence and who is playing small when there are scrambles in front and who is having a hard time tracking the puck. Every save is a bit of a battle for Markstrom right now.

Let’s look at the goals tonight:

1) Spezza - Bad coverage by the dmen but Markstrom still looks small in his net and is playing very passive. No real fault here IMO.

2) Matthews - Top of the circle, nice play by him and Nylander on the rush but that’s still a saveable shot. Matthews beats a lot of goalies clean from there though.

3) Simmonds - Honestly he should save this one. Super late reading the developing play, should be able to get across to get a pad on the deflection from a falling down Simmonds. Didn’t track the puck well at all and seems to lose his net a bit.

A horrible time to give up a goal right after they tie it.

4) Matthews - Defense needs to do a better job of clearing out, but the whole play starts because he doesn’t catch what should have been a routine save and bobbles the rebound right in front of himself.

5) Tavares - Again a puck battle between Dube and Tavares ends up with a scrambled shot for Tavares but honestly Markstrom shouldn’t be getting beat that clean from there.

Tavares goal is similar to the McDavid game winner the other night. Not a soft goal but a big save would be nice under the circumstances since it’s a saveable shot.

Like I said he’s not letting in soft goals but you’d want him to save at least one and preferably two of these goals tonight. You’re okay if he lets in three of these goals but he can’t let in all 5 of them. Especially the last three goals - based on the timing he really needs to make at least one of those saves for you.

And once again nothing here that screams “Flames give up higher quality high danger chances against than other teams do”, they just aren’t getting big saves.
#4 Giordano blocks it but only gets a piece...its a shot deflected a couple feet in front of him...not routine

Either block a shot or don't
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Eh, I like that they're tanking.

I mean, I don't know if anyone's actually said that out loud, but if it looks like a tank, its probably a tank.

In a normal season you could justify giving a crap because people would still be paying for tickets, but this season there's really no reason why anyone should care anymore. It's been over for a while, just tanky tanky tank all the way.
This year more than any other teams out of it will just want it to be over so they can go home. US players probably can't wait to get back to their families and get vaccinated.

Playing a meaningless game with no fans has to be something else...some guys didn't even want to do it in the playoffs. Heck the north champ will probably end up in some rando city in round 3 while the opponent has fans.

Seems like the Canucks let their guard down with nothing to play for if the party rumors are true.
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My eyes see a goalie who has lost all confidence and who is playing small when there are scrambles in front and who is having a hard time tracking the puck. Every save is a bit of a battle for Markstrom right now.

Let’s look at the goals tonight:

1) Spezza - Bad coverage by the dmen but Markstrom still looks small in his net and is playing very passive. No real fault here IMO.

2) Matthews - Top of the circle, nice play by him and Nylander on the rush but that’s still a saveable shot. Matthews beats a lot of goalies clean from there though.

3) Simmonds - Honestly he should save this one. Super late reading the developing play, should be able to get across to get a pad on the deflection from a falling down Simmonds. Didn’t track the puck well at all and seems to lose his net a bit.

A horrible time to give up a goal right after they tie it.

4) Matthews - Defense needs to do a better job of clearing out, but the whole play starts because he doesn’t catch what should have been a routine save and bobbles the rebound right in front of himself.

5) Tavares - Again a puck battle between Dube and Tavares ends up with a scrambled shot for Tavares but honestly Markstrom shouldn’t be getting beat that clean from there.

Tavares goal is similar to the McDavid game winner the other night. Not a soft goal but a big save would be nice under the circumstances since it’s a saveable shot.

Like I said he’s not letting in soft goals but you’d want him to save at least one and preferably two of these goals tonight. You’re okay if he lets in three of these goals but he can’t let in all 5 of them. Especially the last three goals - based on the timing he really needs to make at least one of those saves for you.

And once again nothing here that screams “Flames give up higher quality high danger chances against than other teams do”, they just aren’t getting big saves.

I’m slightly more on the side of Markstrom here, but we essentially agree. Not soft goals. He did need to save more of these tonight
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He wouldn't have those numbers though if he played on the Flames this season. And the same people bitching about Markstrom would be bitching about how Treliving decided to go with a tandem again rather than get someone like Markstrom.
I can almost guarantee Talbot would be over 90% (better than Markstrom) if he were on the Flames this year. 90% is very low, especially for a goalie who is at 92.4% this year. And again, Rittich is the controlled variable.

Prior to free agency I wrote at least 20 posts saying the Flames should keep Talbot instead of signing Markstrom. Some would be complaining, but I wouldn't be.
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I can almost guarantee Talbot would be over 90% (better than Markstrom) if he were on the Flames this year. 90% is very low, especially for a goalie who is at 92.4% this year. And again, Rittich is the controlled variable.

Prior to free agency I wrote at least 20 posts saying the Flames should keep Talbot instead of signing Markstrom. Some would be complaining, but I wouldn't be.
Rittich has a slightly better save% and a worse record

who knows...but its not like Talbot didn't have an .883 a couple years back.
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