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[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Yes but his love for Ritchie is kinda weird and diluted the message

Why? Ritchie busts his ass

Dube will be fine it's a learning experience...he is young enough to curb bad habits

[tvp2003]

I’ve always liked Mike Stone — thought he played well with Brodie when we got him from Arizona in 2017. Then Treliving overpaid for Hamonic in the offseason which bumped him to the bottom pair, and Brodie struggled as well because he never clicked with Hamonic.

I also think it wouldn’t be a bad thing for Valimaki to watch a few from above — he’s still got a ways to go in terms of development if he wants to eventually hit his ceiling.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Why? Ritchie busts his ass

Dube will be fine it's a learning experience...he is young enough to curb bad habits

Ritchie is not an NHLer

Him on the first line is a joke

Johnny can just start checking out now

[dammage79]

Not a fan of Stone drawing in, at all. I dont know exactly what Kylingtons doing wrong to get stiffed on minutes.

I d9nt really care about the FWs any more, they all need to miss a game or two in the press box. All. Of. Them.

[Jaybo]

This might just be the longest four game losing streak I've ever experienced as a hockey fan.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Bingo

He played 82 games the season before his blood clot, and the club's first 14 games up to the diagnosis.

Hasn't been the same since.

The Stone acquisition was never an issue, not sure why the focus on that.

Spent 2 picks and have to buy him out...

Actually I didn’t until you brought it up.... I was just commenting on the guy saying stone bust his ass which is not true. He hasn’t played.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

If you can get rid of Looch you do it

But we love Looch. Can we keep his heart?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

For me I would have them as the 21st best roster in the league. I would personally have an impossible time putting this roster in the top third of the league and a hard time even putting it in the top half of the league. I think the coaching turnover in part is because of extraneous factors (Peters racism) but more because Treliving thinks he has built a top tier roster when he has built an average at best, likely below average roster.

I get that you don't like Treliving ... all good. Certainly not going to try and convince you otherwise.

I see a team that had a middling starter that was demoted to be a strong backup behind a goalie that was 5th in Vezina votes last year. That should be a top five tandem in net. They sit 22nd in save percentage.

On the blueline the Tanev pick up on paper should have been a boost on Hamonic, with Andersson filling in for Brodie. Instead we've had a solid second pair, with Hanifin emerging but the first pair going to hell, and Valimaki struggling more than I expected after a strong showing in the Liiga.

Up front the team had four clear cut top six forwards, two emerging young talents and Backlund who is still an upper six, middle six tweener. The bad Treliving bet with this group is Monahan and Gaudreau as they don't seem to be top line players any more.

The team has a shooting percentage in all situations of 8.66%, good for 24th whereas their expected goals for is 10th.

The team has a save percentage of .901 good for 22nd when they have an expected goals against rank of 13th.

I see under performance everywhere.

[foofighter15]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

But we love Looch. Can we keep his heart?

Right? He's potentially our worst forward skill wise, but the fact he plays with heart (and no one else does) he's become one of the best forwards this year, if not THE best

[bubbsy]

Stone with nesterov feels like a disaster.

Stone with kylington seems more intriguing.

[Strange Brew]

Markstrom is playing about to his career save percentage. Tanev was an upgrade to Hamonic, Rasmus a downgrade from Brodie and with Gio’s decline, that pairing has stepped back in a huge way.

The off season moves in isolation were defensible if you are ok with the veteran UFA approach but not many at the time thought he was addressing what needed to be fixed.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Spent 2 picks and have to buy him out...

Actually I didn’t until you brought it up.... I was just commenting on the guy saying stone bust his ass which is not true. He hasn’t played.

The two picks were fine, they were a playoff bound team that needed an upgrade. He played in the team's top four for the rest of the season and into the playoffs.

The Habs just spent the exact same price on a rental in Staal.

It was the next contract when he was a UFA that bit them in the ass but a lot of that was the blood clot.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The two picks were fine, they were a playoff bound team that needed an upgrade. He played in the team's top four for the rest of the season and into the playoffs.

The Habs just spent the exact same price on a rental in Staal.

It was the next contract when he was a UFA that bit them in the ass but a lot of that was the blood clot.

Yes, he played up to his price the first go round. The UFA contract I didn’t understand because Treliving had all the cards. Stone’s wife is from Calgary, they’d bought a house, etc. I think he could have been had a lot cheaper. More like the contract after the buyout.

[Willi Plett]

Originally Posted by Bingo

. The bad Treliving bet with this group is Monahan and Gaudreau as they don't seem to be top line players any more.

Spot on. But the above, 2 top line forwards completely falling off the map when they should be peaking. This must be perplexing to the organization.

That said, I felt they needed to go when they ran Hartley out of town. That told me they didn’t want to do what it was going to take to win.

[ikaris]

Originally Posted by doublebass

https://twitter.com/user/status/1375859301542076416

As trashy as the Flames have been this year at least we will get some of this while they continue to be pure garbage.

[BagoPucks]

Sutter has been pretty honest about what he sees out there. Love hearing things about speed and checking. Two things, I think the team stopped doing after the first 4 games after Darryl took over.

[Willi Plett]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The off season moves in isolation were defensible if you are ok with the veteran UFA approach but not many at the time thought he was addressing what needed to be fixed.

I think the reality is he just ran out of money with the cap flat lining and with so much uncertainty around Covid and the season in general and the upcoming expansion draft I think the trade market became almost non existent.

I’m sure the hole in the forwards was obvious but I don’t think there were a lot of good options. Even with the roster as is, I’m not sure anyone could have predicted how poorly our top forwards would perform. Monahan, Gaudreau, Lindholm, Tkachuk, Backlund, have all underperformed and been inconsistent.

The biggest notable is Johnny and Monny playing like shadows of their former selves. That said, my eyes see Johnny playing some of his hardest hockey and best defense of his career just now. But the spark, drive, creativity and offense is still not at the level it was.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Not sure it is a coach killing roster, it is just not a very good roster. It is a poorly constructed team that on paper is about the 22nd best roster in the league. And they are around the 22nd best team in the league. On paper the goaltending is average and it has been average. On paper the defence is slightly below average and it is slightly below average. On paper the forwards are slightly below average and they have been slightly below average. They do not play better than they are but they play at about what you would expect when you look at them on paper.

I totally disagree with this. The skills and talent are there. The problem is between the ears.

[Philly06Cup]

It's okay everyone! The Flames and Flyers have been trending very similarly; get blown out together, lose close games together.

Flames will give up the first goal, but win 2-1 after a strong performance. Michael Stone with the game winner.

[transplant99]

Every team is looking for D depth heading into the PO. Playing Stone now makes sense if they are trying to get something for him at the TD. He has to show he can still play of course which this will allow....or not.