[PGT] Best team ever 3 Flames 1

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Jacks

I argued a point I was trying to make.

Fair, but you replied to a guy that was calling out the troll.

This is silly I'm sure you'd agree. Like you said, the problem is people responding to johnny makarov. When will we learn

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Should’ve been traded summer after winning the Norris.

I hate the New England patriots but Bill belichek has it down to a science, cut a guy or trade him when he’s at peak value with an extremely predictable drop off in sight

The NHL is not like the NFL. Boston didn't move Chara when they should have. Chicago did not trade Toews and Kane when they should have. SJ did not trade Pavelski when they should have. Philadelphia did not trade Giroux or Voracek when they should have. Every team goes through this.


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[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dino7c

there is a MASSIVE difference between criticism and calling the guy the worst captain in team history because time caught up with him

What other Flames captain won a major NHL award? Iggy had the rocket...that it?

I would try and trade him and leave him unprotected but to just toss his entire career in the garbage can because of a #### year at 37 and basically put the season on him is stupid. Can't blame Ward anymore though.

Such a distant memory.

https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/kipr...nours/c-454719

[dino7c]

I'm sure its happened by I can't remember an NHL player being moved the summer they won a major award. Wayne?

NHL is a different animal and hindsight is 20/20. Really 30 teams should be seller every deadline.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Such a distant memory.

https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/kipr...nours/c-454719

well not a captain (this isn't Vancouver) but still good times

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The NHL is not like the NFL. Boston didn't move Chara when they should have. Chicago did not trade Toews and Kane when they should have. SJ did not trade Pavelski when they should have. Philadelphia did not trade Giroux or Voracek when they should have. Every team goes through this.


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And you could argue every single one of those teams would’ve been better off if they had.

I get that it’s different, but if a GM and ownership group came in and really flipped the tables, they would be very successful

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dino7c

well not a captain (this isn't Vancouver) but still good times

Time to go see the optometrist I think.

[Jason14h]

Flames fans have reached the same level of excellence as the team on the ice.

I'm not sure if anyone has played a high level of sports, but if you think the Captain can make the difference between a good and bad team you are out to lunch.

Maybe you can get a team pumped for a period with a well placed rant/speech/etc

You get about 3 of those a year until it is just noise.

Anyone questioning Gio's effort is nuts. Question why this franchise cant find a single D who can play against another teams top pairing and we still need to depend on a 37 year old who is on the smaller side as a D trying to compete against elite 25 year olds.

Gio sacrifices everything out there as an undersized, 37 year old D. Has he been good? No. But hes probably the best 37 year old D in the league.

This is like when people thought Iggy should be getting 50 goals after 30 every year when it had been done 20 times in history (And Iginla was one of them!!, and Ovy 25% of them!)

Side Note - NHL players do not remain in their primes into their 30's despite what message boards say.

We suck. That's a fact. It's a poorly constructed team, that has a ton of flaws, looks confused, and is the laughing stock of Canadian teams.

This doesnt mean Gio doesn't care or isnt trying. I can guarantee he cant sleep at night being part of this.

Our fans are as bad as our team now a days

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

And you could argue every single one of those teams would’ve been better off if they had.

Yes. That is exactly what I am arguing. But my point is that what happens in the NFL is not a fair standard by which to gauge asset management in the NHL.

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[dino7c]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Time to go see the optometrist I think.

okay what? You quoted my post asking if any other Flames captains had won a major award and you posted a link of Kipper winning the Vezina

was up early but what am I missing here

[TheRealPepman]

Honestly, when I think of Mark Giordano, I think of the fact that he's never been past the first round his entire career.

Unlucky guy.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Flames fans have reached the same level of excellence as the team on the ice.

I'm not sure if anyone has played a high level of sports, but if you think the Captain can make the difference between a good and bad team you are out to lunch.

Maybe you can get a team pumped for a period with a well placed rant/speech/etc

You get about 3 of those a year until it is just noise.

Anyone questioning Gio's effort is nuts. Question why this franchise cant find a single D who can play against another teams top pairing and we still need to depend on a 37 year old who is on the smaller side as a D trying to compete against elite 25 year olds.

Gio sacrifices everything out there as an undersized, 37 year old D. Has he been good? No. But hes probably the best 37 year old D in the league.

This is like when people thought Iggy should be getting 50 goals after 30 every year when it had been done 20 times in history (And Iginla was one of them!!, and Ovy 25% of them!)

Side Note - NHL players do not remain in their primes into their 30's despite what message boards say.

We suck. That's a fact. It's a poorly constructed team, that has a ton of flaws, looks confused, and is the laughing stock of Canadian teams.

This doesnt mean Gio doesn't care or isnt trying. I can guarantee he cant sleep at night being part of this.

Our fans are as bad as our team now a days

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Yes. That is exactly what I am arguing. But my point is that what happens in the NFL is not a fair standard by which to gauge asset management in the NHL.

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I get that.

But maybe that standard should change...

What single good reason did the flames leadership team have for holding onto gio that looks like a good reason right now?

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

I get that.

But maybe that standard should change...

What single good reason did the flames leadership team have for holding onto gio that looks like a good reason right now?

In my opinion, Giordano should have been traded right after the Norris. Sell high - not sure why teams can't see that.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

I get that.

But maybe that standard should change...

What single good reason did the flames leadership team have for holding onto gio that looks like a good reason right now?

So you are arguing for non-guaranteed contracts?

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by keenan87

In my opinion, Giordano should have been traded right after the Norris. Sell high - not sure why teams can't see that.

Because the point of sports is to win?

How do you know what "high" is?

Sounds like message board stock market experts - Buy Low Sell High!

Every year a lot of player have a new career high, until the next season when they surpass that high

You really think the Flames should have traded Gio after finishing 1st in the west and him winning the Norris with a team that had all their core players in their prime?

This isnt the Flames holding onto Iggy way too long trying to sneak into 8th. This was the best team in the NHL coming off a 1st round loss.

TB got swept in the 1st round also that year. They didnt trade their best players and then won the cup.

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Flames fans have reached the same level of excellence as the team on the ice.

I'm not sure if anyone has played a high level of sports, but if you think the Captain can make the difference between a good and bad team you are out to lunch.

Maybe you can get a team pumped for a period with a well placed rant/speech/etc

You get about 3 of those a year until it is just noise.

Anyone questioning Gio's effort is nuts. Question why this franchise cant find a single D who can play against another teams top pairing and we still need to depend on a 37 year old who is on the smaller side as a D trying to compete against elite 25 year olds.

Gio sacrifices everything out there as an undersized, 37 year old D. Has he been good? No. But hes probably the best 37 year old D in the league.

This is like when people thought Iggy should be getting 50 goals after 30 every year when it had been done 20 times in history (And Iginla was one of them!!, and Ovy 25% of them!)

Side Note - NHL players do not remain in their primes into their 30's despite what message boards say.

We suck. That's a fact. It's a poorly constructed team, that has a ton of flaws, looks confused, and is the laughing stock of Canadian teams.

This doesnt mean Gio doesn't care or isnt trying. I can guarantee he cant sleep at night being part of this.

Our fans are as bad as our team now a days

So can't be a fan unless you've played high level sports now? Wow

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Because the point of sports is to win?

How do you know what "high" is?

Sounds like message board stock market experts - Buy Low Sell High!

Every year a lot of player have a new career high, until the next season when they surpass that high

You really think the Flames should have traded Gio after finishing 1st in the west and him winning the Norris with a team that had all their core players in their prime?

This isnt the Flames holding onto Iggy way too long trying to sneak into 8th. This was the best team in the NHL coming off a 1st round loss.

TB got swept in the 1st round also that year. They didnt trade their best players and then won the cup.

Yeah that is a total hindsight comment...2nd overall, norris winner,

sorry fans we traded him for a draft pick that might be good some day.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

I get that.

But maybe that standard should change...

What single good reason did the flames leadership team have for holding onto gio that looks like a good reason right now?

Keeping Gio is not the problem. The D mix on the whole is a problem.

Also, he’s the captain and the Flames have gotten more than full value out of the bulk of the contract. There is some honour in the org. You need to accept and deal with that

Gio needs to be slotted middle pair at best, ideally bottom 6, unfortunately.

Rasmus is at best middle 4 with a better D partner. That Gio/Ras pairing is doing the top 4 D / top 6 matchup job and getting shredded, and seemingly challenged on quick transitions and offensive support.

And Ras’s contract is looking really not so hot compared to guys like Hanifin and Brodie

Nesterov looked composed early but has looked worse. And Valimaki is growing. A bottom pairing that is ok but nothing special right now. They were more error prone earlier in the year but that late penalty was bad tonight

And having said that, the defensive part of the D has generally been good but a couple of untimely errors happen while Sutter thinks we should be able to win 1-0

[dino7c]

Just want to point out that the Flames have scored 2 goals in 3 games and we are complaining about D and even some goaltending mixed in earlier

If the forwards were scoring at even an average pace the Flames would be on a 4 game winning streak


Flames aren't allowing much