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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Joborule

And it's got him lots of rings. Which is what people care for when they think about great captains of any team for any sport. Captains of teams that have a period of strong playoff success.

So, great captains are those whose teams win championships. When you put it that way, it sounds pretty irrelevant to on-ice success.

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[Enoch Root]

Pretty sad that Montreal is shut down on Covid protocol and we're still losing ground to them

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

No one has been able to hold these guys accountable. Maybe it's time we stop assigning blame elsewhere and actually look to where the problem is.

This organization should do that, too. But Gio was one of the vets who hated Hartley and drove him out. The moment this organization yielded to the whims of their captain, it was up to him to carry the torch of accountability. Instead, what we've seen is a team mentally unravel to the point where they completely give up on a game when they go down a goal. And this isn't a recent trend. This is years in the making.

We went from a group in 14/15 that would never say die to dead as a door nail.

When you let the inmates run the asylum, don't be surprised to find yourself in a madhouse.

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Who do you give the C to instead even if you wanted to do that?

I've suggested Tanev in the past. But quite frankly I'm not sure anyone on this roster has the mental makeup this team needs. I'm sure Sutter will figure it out, though.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I criticize the Flames plenty...I just don't find one scape goat to blame it all on


Calling Gio the worst captain in Flames history is just plain stupid

hahahaha sure.. DO you seriously not read what you post? almost like a personal protecting your kids level.

but hey even Steve Smith led the Flames to a playoff series win. Just saying.

Jesus Christ.

[dino7c]

One captain is going to win the cup this year...the rest suck

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Take aook at those deals and yell me which one you see as the solution to the Flames's fortunes. Dubois would have been a great pickup, but the Flames were in no position to match the offer from Winnipeg.

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You said deals were prevented by covid and that was the reason Brad could not execute his plan. I demonstrated that that statement was false. You now say that the only players that could have been possibly traded are contained in those deals and I should pick the players from the deals that have been made that could improve the Flames.

I have a different theory. I think deals are possible. I think half the league has pulled it off. I think it is even possible that players that have not been traded could have been traded. This rate of trading compares to every other season in terms of player to player trades. Covid has had no discernable effect on the number of teams that performed a player for player trade. The one constant is that Brad is almost never in that group in any year and he was not in it since August of this year. If he wanted to trade any players, he could have. Over half the league has pulled off this feat in the face of COVID.

[Enoch Root]

Time to trade Gaudreau, Monahan, Backlund, and Giordano

Not blaming them, just recognizing that this team can't get it done, so trade all of the older core members and start over

(and no one else is untouchable either)

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

hahahaha sure.. DO you seriously not read what you post? almost like a personal protecting your kids level.

but hey even Steve Smith led the Flames to a playoff series win. Just saying.

this guy, where do I even start

nice ninja edit with the green text

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

hahahaha sure.. DO you seriously not read what you post? almost like a personal protecting your kids level.

but hey even Steve Smith led the Flames to a playoff series win. Just saying.

Unless you are counting his own goal when he was an Oiler, no he didn’t. The Flames never made the POs when he was on the team. Get your facts straight.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

So, great captains are those whose teams win championships. When you put it that way, it sounds pretty irrelevant to on-ice success.

Hated Messier but it's pretty hard to deny his leadership abilities. He took the post Gretzky oilers to another cup then lead the Rangers to their cup.

Rangers were down against the Devils and Messier guaranteed a victory to keep them alive, he then scored 3 goals and 1 assist in a 4-2 victory. Hate him but he is one of the best ever.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Hated Messier but it's pretty hard to deny his leadership abilities. He took the post Gretzky oilers to another cup then lead the Rangers to their cup.



Rangers were down against the Devils and Messier guaranteed a victory to keep them alive, he then scored 3 goals and 1 assist in a 4-2 victory. Hate him but he is one of the best ever.

He's no Steve Smith apparently

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Hated Messier but it's pretty hard to deny his leadership abilities. He took the post Gretzky oilers to another cup then lead the Rangers to their cup.



Rangers were down against the Devils and Messier guaranteed a victory to keep them alive, he then scored 3 goals and 1 assist in a 4-2 victory. Hate him but he is one of the best ever.

I am aware of tbe legend. I don't buy into the hype.

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[EverfresH15]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

I am not surprised at todays result. The Flames are as much as a bottom feeder as the Sens.

In the meantime, get rid of Treliving, Pascall and Maloney.

Both Sigalet (goalie development has been atrocious with this club) and Labarbera (not sure why he was brought in to begin with, as his work with the Hitmen was mediocre at best) can be shown the door as well.

I’m will be to bet you have no idea what your talking about. Unless you work for the organizing or know someone that does.

In fact, I think you suck at your job. See how easy that is.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He's no Steve Smith apparently

Put down the pompoms and take a chill pill.

ARe you that dense? Of course i was referencing the Flames 86 win over the Oilers. ninja edit... lol

[LiquidX]

Remember when we talked about who we wanted to protect in the expansion draft?

Everyone on the roster - even the role players seem disinterested. No one is moving without the puck, there's no puck support, and half the team wilts if they get looked at sideways.

What happened to this team.

[GioforPM]

LOL at a guy who claims a series win makes a good captain and then calls one of only two guys since the cup win to have won even one series “the worst”.

Speaking of 89, captains were so important none of them were even regulars on the ice.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Put down the pompoms and take a chill pill.

So is it all my fault now or still Gio's

because attacking other posters personally is a sure sign that your argument is going well

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

So, great captains are those whose teams win championships. When you put it that way, it sounds pretty irrelevant to on-ice success.

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In a sense, yes. The captain is only one player, and it's not a sport like basketball or soccer where one player can be so good that they can carry the team on their backs to playoff runs primarily on their own. But the C is on that player for a reason since they are suppose to be the strongest leader and motivator on the team. If a team is having great sustain success, that can be a positive reflection on the captain.

Admittedly from a fan perspective, I think it's impossible for us to see just exactly how a captain inspires their team in the locker room and off the ice. The only real glimpse we get is theirs's, and the team's on ice performance.

This also makes me think. I would say majority of us think Iginla is a great captain. And I suppose that's the case since he also was assistant captain on the Olympic teams. So there's validation there. But his teams also didn't amount to much save being one goal away from winning the cup. That playoff run alone may be enough to justify him being a great captain. But it makes me ponder, is Connor McDavid a great captain?

He literally carries the team on his back, but it hasn't translated to any real playoff success. But year in, year out, he's at the top of the league leaders list in points. Due to lack of playoff runs, I don't believe there's much talk around the league about him being a good captain. But if the Oilers (heaven forbid) were to actually get some playoff runs, would that narrative start to unfold then?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by dino7c

So is it all my fault now or still Gio's

because attacking other posters personally is a sure sign that your argument is going well

You used this same excuse last game too when someone called you the resident apologist.

I'm just telling you to chill because if you think the board attack on the Flames is bad now, wait until the next 10 games.

[dino7c]

If Mark Messier was drafted one pick earlier by the Canucks he would have zero cups