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Old 03-24-2021, 02:48 PM   #141
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Phoenix' offensive strategy during the Nash era was dubbed "7 Seconds or Less." Their goal was to score on every possession, from inbound to basket, in literally 7 seconds or less.
Psssht they stole my strategy from NBA Jam.
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Old 03-24-2021, 02:55 PM   #142
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Fair points, but why it's faster than hockey doesn't change that it is faster than hockey.
No way that a player can run faster than they can skate if they are both professionals. That is ridiculous. I think you're forgetting how small a basketball court is compared to a hockey rink. Yes, basketball can go end to end faster than hockey but the length of the court is less than 50% of an ice sheet and slightly over 50% on width. Plus hockey is an alternating one legged balancing act while the puck is manipulated at the end of a six foot stick. I bet the average speed of a puck exceeds the average speed of a basketball in play.
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Looks like Peel is no longer reffing any more NHL games.
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Old 03-24-2021, 03:16 PM   #144
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Every year, penalties taken is heavily correlated to penalties drawn. Broadcasters often casually mention how one team is due an even up call. Hope this incident gets enough publicity so the league will actually change things.



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No way that a player can run faster than they can skate if they are both professionals. That is ridiculous. I think you're forgetting how small a basketball court is compared to a hockey rink. Yes, basketball can go end to end faster than hockey but the length of the court is less than 50% of an ice sheet and slightly over 50% on width. Plus hockey is an alternating one legged balancing act while the puck is manipulated at the end of a six foot stick. I bet the average speed of a puck exceeds the average speed of a basketball in play.
I wasn't the one who made the original declaration that basketball was faster than hockey. I just provided some potential context to consider when debating that statement.
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excuse me?

In The Athletic’s (subscription required) 2020 players poll Peel was ranked the second worst referee in the NHL."

he's been horrible for years.
this from 2015

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NHL referees own two shirts, wear both during games, and then have to do their own laundry when arriving in each new NHL city. Like, literally getting quarters for the machine from the hotel’s front desk.
This just seems dumb. Why do they were both in the same game? There are 3 periods...do they let the one from the 1st period air out during the 2nd and then put it back on? Why not own 4 or 6 and do laundry less often?
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This incident has made the NHL lose a Peel.

I Peel bad for him but his Tim has come.
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Firing Tim Peel is such an escape goat move. A better statement would be to acknowledge the game management bias everyone knows exists and say they will address it.
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Old 03-24-2021, 03:32 PM   #149
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Now we just need Furlat on tape admitting he hates the Flames.
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That was one of the worst calls I have ever seen. Flames domination...better make a terrible call to get Ottawa in the game.

Would love the announcers to call it like it is.
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Haha, "escape goat"
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I Peel bad for him but his Tim has come.
One bad Peel, maybe more to peal off?
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Haha, "escape goat"
I know, I was going to say something too... but then I was like, scapegoat... escape goat... I mean, it's not wrong...
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What a dumbass. He should be fired.

Hopefully this is a wake up call to refs that they need to be better.
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I know, I was going to say something too... but then I was like, scapegoat... escape goat... I mean, it's not wrong...
Early ejaculation - oops, ejection
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What a dumbass. He should be fired.

Hopefully this is a wake up call to refs that they need up be better.
I think this suspension is a prelude to being fired - they have a union so there’s a process.
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I think this suspension is a prelude to being fired bridged to retirement
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It's not hard to call the rulebook and stop "game managing". The problems are these.

1. The rulebook has some... issues. Some penalties aren't worded clearly, and some are worded in such a way that they don't reflect how we want the penalty to be called. There are also rules that are never called. So step 1 is a new draft of the rulebook to clean these issues up.

2. The referees themselves mess up. They're human. They miss things that seem obvious on the broadcast, and make calls that don't make a ton of sense. Calling the rulebook will result in some incorrect calls. This is, first, not a reason not to do it - they get things wrong now, too - but second, there are ways to address it. First, a third official watching in a video room who can communicate to the officials to blow the play dead once the penalized team touches the puck is a pretty easy addition, and just due to the different perspective can fix some of these issues (especially now that they're doing the "referee huddle" after calls to make sure they're right). Second, refs should be given a big pay raise, but with it, considerably more accountability: you have to answer to the media, and if you mess up you risk getting suspended.

3. Calling the rulebook incentivizes diving. We need to disincentivize it. First, the video room ref helps - when you go to your referee's huddle, he can say, "look, this was a dive". In that circumstance, you only call the dive. This is written into the rulebook; embellishment eliminates the original penalty. Second, the DOPS now has significantly more leeway to punish divers, including publishing video of them doing it and handing out significant suspensions for fakery. There are no double standards allowed here - star player or otherwise, you get the same treatment. And put the onus on the player here. For example, if a guy almost high sticks you and your head snaps back on reflex, but he doesn't get you, a ref might think he did and call the high stick. But you know it didn't hit you, and you'd better go tell the ref that so he can rescind the call, or you're getting a suspension for it. Unless you'd rather have a 2 minute power play this game than be allowed to play next game, you're better off.

4. Anyone who takes the view that they're "ruining the game" by calling too many penalties or that these new standards are bad because too much of the game has become power play needs to be immediately and mercilessly booed off TV, or out of their newspaper job, or their coaching position, or whatever. If you think there are suddenly too many penalties, the blame must be placed squarely on the people taking the penalties. Once a new standard is implemented and you know it's being applied, if you continue to cross check guys in the corner during puck battles (but we used to do this all the time!) or interfere with them off of a faceoff (but this happens every game!) or lightly tap their hand or leg on a breakaway with your stick (but it was so minor!), the fault is entirely yours when you get a penalty. The phrase "it wasn't much of a penalty" needs to die an immediate death. Everything gets called. If it's the last 2 minutes of game 7 of the cup final, and you think it would be a travesty for your team to lose on a weak cross check to a guy's ribs, don't ####ing do it.

That is my rant on fixing NHL officiating. It's currently considerably better than the NBA (borderline unwatchable due to the degree to which the outcome is influenced by officiating) or the NFL (not nearly as bad as the NBA but has a higher proportion of games directly decided by biased or incompetent refereeing than the NHL does). It still has room for a lot of improvement.
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4. Anyone who takes the view that they're "ruining the game" by calling too many penalties or that these new standards are bad because too much of the game has become power play needs to be immediately and mercilessly booed off TV, or out of their newspaper job, or their coaching position, or whatever. If you think there are suddenly too many penalties, the blame must be placed squarely on the people taking the penalties. Once a new standard is implemented and you know it's being applied, if you continue to cross check guys in the corner during puck battles (but we used to do this all the time!) or interfere with them off of a faceoff (but this happens every game!) or lightly tap their hand or leg on a breakaway with your stick (but it was so minor!), the fault is entirely yours when you get a penalty. The phrase "it wasn't much of a penalty" needs to die an immediate death. Everything gets called. If it's the last 2 minutes of game 7 of the cup final, and you think it would be a travesty for your team to lose on a weak cross check to a guy's ribs, don't ####ing do it.
This 1000 times over.
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