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Old 03-24-2021, 12:41 PM   #121
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How is basketball "far faster" than hockey?
Phoenix' offensive strategy during the Nash era was dubbed "7 Seconds or Less." Their goal was to score on every possession, from inbound to basket, in literally 7 seconds or less.

In basketball, that means going end-to-end and scoring. Imagine a hockey team employing a strategy of "put the puck in the net from the point of possession in 7 seconds or less." They couldn't do that from anywhere on the ice (as a consistent strat), never mind going end-to-end.
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Old 03-24-2021, 12:45 PM   #122
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I remember watching the Suns back then. Incredibly fast and fun to watch.
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Old 03-24-2021, 12:49 PM   #123
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I'm not really that into basketball but I do remember going to my first NBA game a few years ago. Toronto vs Oklahoma City. I remember being surprised at how slow everything was. Hardly any fast breaks. Just one team slowly dribbling the ball up the floor, passing it around 6 or 7 times until someone takes a jump shot. Other team gets ball, jogs slowly to the other end, passes it around a few times before someone takes a jump shot. And repeat.
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Old 03-24-2021, 12:51 PM   #124
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Phoenix' offensive strategy during the Nash era was dubbed "7 Seconds or Less." Their goal was to score on every possession, from inbound to basket, in literally 7 seconds or less.

In basketball, that means going end-to-end and scoring. Imagine a hockey team employing a strategy of "put the puck in the net from the point of possession in 7 seconds or less." They couldn't do that from anywhere on the ice (as a consistent strat), never mind going end-to-end.

Damn goalies

How stupid would hockey be without them?
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Old 03-24-2021, 12:53 PM   #125
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This incident has made the NHL lose a Peel.
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Damn goalies

How stupid would hockey be without them?
There’s also a small difference between playing surface size, the inability to actually assault the ball carrier, no offside, and the legality of a pick. If you allow only incidental contact, not full on checking, and if I can set picks down the ice and not worry about offside I bet I can get pretty close to 7 seconds.
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Fair points, but why it's faster than hockey doesn't change that it is faster than hockey.
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Old 03-24-2021, 12:59 PM   #128
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There’s also a small difference between playing surface size, the inability to actually assault the ball carrier, no offside, and the legality of a pick. If you allow only incidental contact, not full on checking, and if I can set picks down the ice and not worry about offside I bet I can get pretty close to 7 seconds.
Also, despite how many baskets are scored every game, I think it’s impossible for practical purposes to bounce a basketball off the ref’s nuts and score
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Also, despite how many baskets are scored every game, I think it’s impossible for practical purposes to bounce a basketball off the ref’s nuts and score
Sounds like a challenge to me
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For your viewing pleasure, 59 minutes of "7 seconds or less." (also the name of my sex tape)

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Old 03-24-2021, 01:06 PM   #131
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Fair points, but why it's faster than hockey doesn't change that it is faster than hockey.
It’s not faster. It’s more condensed. More bodies in a small space to keep an eye on, and far more judgment calls.

FWIW, I’ve reffed both. In basketball you see something that doesn’t look right, you blow it down and figure it out, because any serious contact = foul. In hockey, you figure out the infraction and then call it.
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Old 03-24-2021, 01:11 PM   #132
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I always liked Peel, he's getting a short end on this in my opinion. They fired one of the better refs to create the illusion the NHL isnt complicit in game management, its nonsense.
excuse me?

In The Athletic’s (subscription required) 2020 players poll Peel was ranked the second worst referee in the NHL."

he's been horrible for years.
this from 2015

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p...6rO_jU1fkpUJb7

and also talked about:
In talking to Peel, you start to see a pattern: The NHL asks its officials to manage the game a certain way, and they have to do it.

all Peel is doing is being a good company man. he's been managing games for years, and admits it.
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The NBA is seeking $8 billion per season in TV rights, so they must be doing something right.



Source:https://sports.yahoo.com/ratings-slu...QbcnH-lzVvKkYQ
Yes. A lot of that is because the big markets shine bright. Like I said the NBA knows how to build a narrative around markets and stars and this is part of that result.
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Yes, if I meant top speed, sure.

I meant the pace of play. The speed of contact.

These are 6.5-7+ foot 200-290lb players running at top speed, slamming into each other in closer quarters with no equipment.

If you think hockey is harder than basketball, I suggest you probably haven't played both. Or you are biased.

The pace of play in basketball is far higher in Basketball, with as many or more moving parts than Hockey.

In my opinion.
Lol, I think you played a very slow brand of hockey....Sounds like a wasted youth, in the wrong game.
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Old 03-24-2021, 01:56 PM   #135
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If you think hockey is harder than basketball, I suggest you probably haven't played both. Or you are biased.
I've played both. Hockey is much harder. Skating on ice is a difficult skill. Hockey is so hard you have to rest after 45-60 seconds.
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I mean, if the NBA was psychically harder than hockey then they would need a bigger roster.
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excuse me?

In The Athletic’s (subscription required) 2020 players poll Peel was ranked the second worst referee in the NHL."

he's been horrible for years.
this from 2015

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p...6rO_jU1fkpUJb7

and also talked about:
In talking to Peel, you start to see a pattern: The NHL asks its officials to manage the game a certain way, and they have to do it.

all Peel is doing is being a good company man. he's been managing games for years, and admits it.


Thanks, that’s a good article and gives good insight into Tim Peel

The NHL wants crackdowns at certain times and wants game management

He didn’t say on the hot mic why he felt he needed to give Nashville a penalty early, but I don’t doubt there was context

Probably context everyone would complain about anyhow

I read Kerry Fraser’s book as well. I find it interesting the job these guys do. It is unfortunately not as simple as calling things 100 percent by the rule book 100 percent of the time. And it is thankless
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Thanks, that’s a good article and gives good insight into Tim Peel

The NHL wants crackdowns at certain times and wants game management

He didn’t say on the hot mic why he felt he needed to give Nashville a penalty early, but I don’t doubt there was context

Probably context everyone would complain about anyhow

I read Kerry Fraser’s book as well. I find it interesting the job these guys do. It is unfortunately not as simple as calling things 100 percent by the rule book 100 percent of the time. And it is thankless
I liked the reminder that while he may not be the best ref, doesn't mean he isn't a good guy or trying his best.
just a loyal NHL foot soldier.
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I've disliked Peel for a long time, he's not a good ref, but it is a shame that he's just gonna get all the blame pointed at him by the league like this isn't something every ref does
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If they are, my guess is Peel will tear the lid right off that can of worms.
I think he's probably being a given a high 6 figure retirement package with an NDA attached.
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