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MrMike · 03-13-2021, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ah123

In a way I want Montreal to score first. I want to see if having Sutter behind the bench can counter the Flames’ tendency to fold like a cheap tent at the first sign of adversity

How about any other game other than Montreal.

The Cobra · 03-13-2021, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

Yes, I was referring to the OT points as losses, because in discussions of "games above/below" .500 they are always treated as such.

But I think your reflection of the NHL system is wrong: it has never been based on "games," rather "points," and because of that you cannot simply ignore the third column. So, the Canadiens have earned a possible 31/52 points, for a 0.596 points-percentage. The number of wins they have over their losses is completely irrelevant because of what is going on in the third column, and because of how the NHL seeds teams for the playoffs.

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It’s not irrelevant. Because at the end of the season, the team with the most wins over .500 (meaning over loses) has the most points.

On a full season, 82 points is .500, and that team has as many wins as loses. Every win more than a loss is an additional point. A team with 95 points has 13 more wins than loses , regardless of its number of loser points.

You cannot finish with more points than another team unless your wins above .500 is better. The difference between your wins and loses is actually the most important thing, because it is what increases your winning percentage above .500.

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blender · 03-13-2021, 01:48 PM

Are you guys aware that you are talking about 2 ways of measuring the exact same thing?

Cali Panthers Fan · 03-13-2021, 01:53 PM

OMG...are we arguing over the .500 interpretation for the 4th time this year???

djsFlames · 03-13-2021, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ah123

In a way I want Montreal to score first. I want to see if having Sutter behind the bench can counter the Flames’ tendency to fold like a cheap tent at the first sign of adversity

I'd rather they cruise in this one with more good work ethic and worry about style points and countering adversity against a less crucial opponent.

No tempting fate tonight. Just keep the pedal to the medal.

Mathgod · 03-13-2021, 01:54 PM

Wins minus regulation losses is what matters.

In the case of a tie when all teams have played an equal number of games (at season's end), the two teams will have equal points and thus ROWs come into play. If still tied it goes to other tiebreakers, but those scenarios are rare.

The Cobra · 03-13-2021, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by blender

Are you guys aware that you are talking about 2 ways of measuring the exact same thing?

I am. Looking at games above .500 factors in games in hand. Points does not. At the end of the season, when all teams play the same number of games, points tell the complete story. When teams have played different amounts of games, it does not.

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Plaedo · 03-13-2021, 01:57 PM

I love it when threads are frequently polluted with a useless debate that has been exhausted several times over. It is March 13, 2021 - how many times have we seen this stupid debate? Give it a rest already. There are two different .500 lines. It's funny that some people take exception to the one that is used commonly on the NHL.com standings - the points percentage .500 line. I get them both, both are useful, but just accept that there is more than one .500 measure.

Calgary4LIfe · 03-13-2021, 02:09 PM

Meh, moot conversation about .500 and how many points the Flames will be behind Montreal after this one.

Flames won't lose again this calendar year.

getbak · 03-13-2021, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by P-DAZZLE

Wasn't there a preseason video a couple years ago where Jankowski and Bennett are talking about how many SHGs they are going to score?

"I'm saying at least 2 to 3 PK goals for each of us this year. I'm calling it." -- About 1:27

Jankowski had 5 goals and 3 assists on the PK that season. Lindholm and Ryan were the only forwards with more SH ice time than Janko that season. Bennett only had 13:37 of SH ice time for the entire season.

Bennett's peak SH ice time was in 2016-17, when he averaged more than 1 minute per game. Even then, he was only 6th on the team for forward SH ice time.

Thursday's game was the third-most SH ice time Bennett has had in any game this season. Bennett has had at least 59 seconds of SH ice time in 5 games this season. The Flames have won all 5, 3 with shutouts.

GranteedEV · 03-13-2021, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Plaedo

I love it when threads are frequently polluted with a useless debate that has been exhausted several times over. It is March 13, 2021 - how many times have we seen this stupid debate? Give it a rest already. There are two different .500 lines. It's funny that some people take exception to the one that is used commonly on the NHL.com standings - the points percentage .500 line. I get them both, both are useful, but just accept that there is more than one .500 measure.

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points percentage of .500 means nothing in the NHL.com standings. The team at .500 in points percentage is 20th in the NHL. Only sixteen teams make the playoffs, so that's well below the playoff cutoff barring divisional imbalance.

points percentage matters. However a points percentage of .500 is not of any interest whatsoever. The average game does not have two points distributed, the number is higher (I don't know the exact number, someone could do the math though, but I'm guessing 2.2 - 2.3 points are distributed in the average game). So getting 1 out of every 2 points is meaningless.

.500 is about being an average team... one that wins half its games. The teams that have a .500 winning percentage have a points percentage closer to .575 or greater and find themselves near the median line of the league.

Calgary4LIfe · 03-13-2021, 02:20 PM

Say what you will, but I greatly miss Jankowski on the PK (and Reider!).

If Bennett, maybe Leivo, etc., can turn into solid PK'ers, this alleviates some big minutes (and potential injuries from shot blocks - i.e. Lindholm last game had a stunner) from the top 6 and top 9.

I love Lindholm on the PK, as I love Backlund there too. They are two of the best on the Flames at it. Those games when the Flames aren't as disciplined really takes a toll on them though.

tvp2003 · 03-13-2021, 02:56 PM

Here we go...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1370802589214724097

handgroen · 03-13-2021, 03:00 PM

Markstrom to start btw so says yahoo fantasy.

GioforPM · 03-13-2021, 03:05 PM

Chicago has won 14 and lost 14 and their points % is .589. Montreal has won 12 and lost 14 and their points% is .596.

dino7c · 03-13-2021, 03:14 PM

If the Flames finish the year with more points than three teams in the division they will get to play in the playoffs

troutman · 03-13-2021, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

This is going to be a really really difficult game as not only do the Flames have to fight their yo-yo effort tendencies but the Refs are gonna come out habbing.

fyp

FlamesAreOne · 03-13-2021, 04:41 PM

@Fan960Steinberg

As expected, Oliver Kylington is on the ice for warmup. Nikita Nesterov not taking warmup.

Kylington comes back in tonight. #Flames

81MC · 03-13-2021, 04:46 PM

I most enjoy games when it’s Ball/Hrudey. Just feels right.

Anyhow, GFG.

GioforPM · 03-13-2021, 05:03 PM

Lame opening, Maclean.