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Old 03-05-2021, 01:29 PM   #1021
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I assume the delay was because Sutter wanted some things such as input on player acquisition etc and was negotiating. Just my guess.

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Old 03-05-2021, 01:30 PM   #1022
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He was a great GM during that time period. The improvement in talent from when he took over to when he entered the playoffs in 2004 was unreal.
He improved the talent of the team but eroded the asset base of the franchise by giving away good players for bad returns and an atrocious drafting record.
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Now we just need to get Peter Maher back in the radio booth and life is good.
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Old 03-05-2021, 01:34 PM   #1024
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It won't be easy. The other teams will be gaining points. They have games left with OTT and VAN. Three point O/T games. It is a deep hole, but there is time to get out of it.


I look at them needing 62 points.
32 games remaining. Using Sutter's approach in 2003/04 of breaking games into seven game series and a goal of winning each one of them, that means four series of seven games and one four game series.

Four wins from each of the seven game series = 32 points
Means they would need three out of four wins in the last series = 6 points as they currently have 24 points. 24 + 32 + 6 = 64
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Old 03-05-2021, 01:36 PM   #1025
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I love all the posters that still have Sutter related nicknames coming out of the woodwork. It’s like you left your Christmas lights up long enough to ride out the next Christmas.

Also I agree with those that say this at least removes the coach variable from analyzing what is up with our players. Time to separate the men from the boys and see who should be kept / let go.

Whether this goes well and the team responds, or it blows up and we need to overhaul the team after this season is fine with me now.
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32 games remaining. Using Sutter's approach in 2003/04 of breaking games into seven game series and a goal of winning each one of them, that means four series of seven games and one four game series.

Four wins from each of the seven game series = 32 points
Means they would need three out of four wins in the last series = 6 points as they currently have 24 points. 24 + 32 + 6 = 64
I prefer to think of them as 8 playoff series of 4 game sweeps
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Just the Flames version of the Oilers grasping at straws.

Sure hope it works. Not counting on it. Even
LAs players turned on Darryl eventually.



This is the keyword, every single player in the league will turn on his coach "eventually".
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Old 03-05-2021, 01:42 PM   #1028
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32 games remaining. Using Sutter's approach in 2003/04 of breaking games into seven game series and a goal of winning each one of them, that means four series of seven games and one four game series.

Four wins from each of the seven game series = 32 points
Means they would need three out of four wins in the last series = 6 points as they currently have 24 points. 24 + 32 + 6 = 64
It definitely shows how good Sutter's ability to break things down is when people are still using his 03/04 formula 17 years later.
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Old 03-05-2021, 01:43 PM   #1029
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I wonder if any other pieces get dropped/added or shuffled around as it relates to assistant coaches?
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I wonder if any other pieces get dropped/added or shuffled around as it relates to assistant coaches?
What's Rich Preston up to?
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Sheesh...I take a break and step away from the Internet for a few days, and this happens. Good change. Glad to see it.
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Old 03-05-2021, 01:49 PM   #1032
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I wonder if any other pieces get dropped/added or shuffled around as it relates to assistant coaches?
Sutter said he liked Huska and wanted him in LA before Huska took the Heat job. Maybe after the season he might bring in more of his own guys.
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He improved the talent of the team but eroded the asset base of the franchise by giving away good players for bad returns and an atrocious drafting record.
That's the best and most eloquent way I have seen his tenure summarized, and completely agree.
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Old 03-05-2021, 01:50 PM   #1034
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I want to make two points.

First, it's never a time to celebrate when someone loses thier job. That's just classless. Who are we? Oiler fans?

Second, I think to many of you remember Sutter hockey from a different time in the game. I'm not ready to anoint Sutter as our savior yet. It seems many are setting expectations super high and that could lead to disappointment.

I'm not being a pessimist. I'm being realistic.

I don't see anyone here saying "WOOHOOO....YEAH!!!! They FINALLY fired Ward, YEAH BABY!!!" So, who is celebrating someone got fired? All I see was people are exciting getting a legitimate coach. People can be happy about that you know, it doesn't mean they are celebrating Ward got fired.
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Darryl's most serious flaw as a GM was in his drafting record, and this was well before he lost his mind. Yes, he snagged Brodie and Ferland in later rounds, and Backlund and Phaneuf were great first-round picks. But beyond these four guys there is almost nothing there through eight drafts. Out of 59 players he selected, nine played +200 NHL games, and Ferland and Backlund are the only forwards to score +50 career goals.

This is unquestionably true.


However, some more information is also required here.



This was Darryl's first gig as a GM. Nobody was guiding him and mentoring him. He did unquestionably make the team a more talented squad under his tenure, and then it started waning towards the end.


As for scouting (and development, which is a crucial part of it), it was Sutter who got buy-in from the owners to expand both departments. Hired additional scouts, had them commit at the time to owning their own AHL team to control (which would have happened eventually, but he did have the foresight to push for it at the time), and so on.


Todd Button gave a really insightful interview way back when in discussing the drafts year over year. He pointed at the '07 and '08 drafts as being a huge turning point for this franchise. That's when they started identifying what kinds of prospects to go after - emphasis on character and compete, as well as IQ. That's when they set on the methodology that they still currently work under (though unquestionably have added to it, I am sure). You see it in the picks that they made since then. That 2007 draft should have been a home run - Backlund, Negrin, Aulie, Renaud (RIP), with only the 7th rd pick never looking like a bona fide future NHL'er. The rest all did after the draft. That's when this organization started becoming a better drafting team in my mind. Too little too late, but there was a lot of work to be done to get to that point.



I also remember the 2010 draft wrap-up with Button. He basically summarized that draft as drafting for 'IQ'.



Yes, Darryl's draft record was not good in hindsight, but I do think that context matters, and also knowing that Darryl wasn't happy about it and made the commitment to improve it - and I argue that it was improving.



Wahl was a home-run pick before his career got derailed.
Max Reinhart looked like a great pick even a few years after the draft. Everyone thought he was looking like a can't miss player.
Ramage (though picked lower than 1st and 2nd round picks that I am talking about) looked like an astute pick-up as well - solid play even after the draft, and had leadership intangibles out of the park (college and US national team) - but just failed.

Joey Leach was looking like he was going to be a player, then a bad knee ended that.
Erixon - as much as we hate him, a redraft 2 years later would see him ranked much higher and he was looking like a complete stud, until he suddenly sucked.
Howse was a bad pick - scouts didn't see beyond his wicked shot I think.
Nemisz was absolutely a bust and not a great player at all, but I get why they drafted him. Very cerebral player, just a total lack of footspeed which they thought (wrongly) that they could correct. I understood this pick, even if I didn't agree with it.


At the end of the day, results matter, and though I credit Darryl with really starting the turnaround at the drafting and development level, but you can't argue that he was successful there. I do think that context matters, especially considering the development program was basically non-existent, and this team had one full-time scout and a few part-timers. Things were awful, but I think you have to take a few steps back and see the direction in which things were moving towards at least.

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When asked, he said

Mmmhumumble..something hmm tomumble...
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He'll speak in the media, and he'll create that us VS the world mentality.

He'll take a lot of the pressure off this team.
He was great at this and only occasionally calling out a player in public, usually a leader. He’s a master at the push and pull.
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Mumbling away.
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Old 03-05-2021, 02:00 PM   #1039
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I want to make two points.



First, it's never a time to celebrate when someone loses thier job. That's just classless. Who are we? Oiler fans?



Second, I think to many of you remember Sutter hockey from a different time in the game. I'm not ready to anoint Sutter as our savior yet. It seems many are setting expectations super high and that could lead to disappointment.



I'm not being a pessimist. I'm being realistic.
I don't think anyone is happy that a good man has lost his job. But we're happy that the change allot of us wanted, has happened.

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