[News] All-encompassing Bennett trade discussions thread

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

I just wish people would cut it out with the "3 points" bullcrap.

Sam gets 0 powerplay time, limited minutes, and has played the majority of his minutes this season with scrub linemates. Put him on the top line and he scores 2 even strength goals in 4 games.

There's more to analyzing a player than just looking at his stat line and drawing hasty conclusions.

People have seen his 3 goals, right?

Tap in was the first, and his most recent was sweeping it an extra 6 inches over the goal line after it went through Hutchison.

Let's not over state the 'results' he's provided in his short window on that line.

[DeluxeMoustache]

So again and for the hundredth time ...

Is there any documented request from either the Bennett camp or the Flames of this request?


Friedman called the agent, asked him if Bennett, given his circumstances, would be open to a change of scene. Elliotte said the agent said he would

The Flames were reportedly blindsided by this, and unimpressed

Being open to something and asking for it are different things

Words matter

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

People have seen his 2 goals, right?

Tap in was the first, 2nd was sweep it an extra 6 inches over the goal line after it went through Hutchison.

Let's not over state the 'results' he's provided in his short window on that line.

So there are 3 and other than the Hutchinson one, you haven’t seen them.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

So there are 3 and other than the Hutchinson one, you haven’t seen them.

I missed one, you're correct.

I've seen all 3. Point still stands.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Red

Bingo!

You're welcome to agree with him, but that doesn't make him (or you) correct.

[OILFAN #81]

Interested to see what happens at the deadline/in the summer with him. I'd take a chance on him but don't think Calgary would trade him to a rival.

[Red]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

You're welcome to agree with him, but that doesn't make him (or you) correct.

When it comes to team chemistry I will side with an ex NHLer every time. I don't know what makes you think your opinion on this is more correct.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Rhett being the cancer in Iggy’s room is a funny line. But he’s basically admitted that Iggy didn’t like his carefree and sometimes drunken antics.

There’s alumni who seem hooked in and those who aren’t. I have a feeling Rhett isn’t hooked in. I’m not sure about Versteeg or Brouwer either. If anyone is still in touch I’d bet on Stajan, maybe with Gio. There’s some older guys who are hooked into management types. For example, Berezan still hears things.

It's funny you mentioned this because I've heard in the past that the Flames' early exits in the playoffs during the Iggy/Regehr/Kipper era was that some players went in the playoffs with hangovers the day they played. And it was during the times when Warrener looked just out of place on the ice. I think Feaster also mentioned something about of a smoking gun - a guy who sits in the basement in his underwear making rumors about Iggy. Then, once Iggy got traded, Warrener bought his house in Calgary. So, to me, Warrener ranks at about the same as Francis. Francis sounds like he took a big drag and forgot to breath and Warrener sounds like a redneck drunk.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Red

Just take your 2nd or 3rd round pick and let the team move on.

I'd be shocked if Tre has turned down a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Red

When it comes to team chemistry I will side with an ex NHLer every time.

He's an ex NHLer, yes. However I think you're appealing to authority here when he's flat out mis-stating facts.

I don't know what makes you think your opinion on this is more correct.

I disagree with him, but I am not saying my opinion is correct.

Both are opinions - not facts.

I addressed the details he mis-stated as facts and disproved though.

[Red]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I'd be shocked if Tre has turned down a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

That may be true. We don't really know what offers are out there. But I think a 2nd would be a good return.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

People have seen his 3 goals, right?

Tap in was the first, and his most recent was sweeping it an extra 6 inches over the goal line after it went through Hutchison.

Let's not over state the 'results' he's provided in his short window on that line.

He put himself in the correct position to score those goals.

The goal vs the Oilers was hardly a tap-in... he had to squeeze the puck through the almost closed 5 hole.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

So again and for the hundredth time ...

Is there any documented request from either the Bennett camp or the Flames of this request?


Friedman called the agent, asked him if Bennett, given his circumstances, would be open to a change of scene. Elliotte said the agent said he would

The Flames were reportedly blindsided by this, and unimpressed

Being open to something and asking for it are different things

Words matter

No for all practical purposes, they are really the same thing. When you're "open" to leaving, you already have one foot out the door. When you have one foot out the door, you might as well have two. How invested in this team do you really think Sam is at this point?

The fact he went all "no comment" on this topic when asked tells you all you need to know about what he's thinking.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Bennett is the least of the problems that this team has, not sure why people are arguing over something so minor.

Trade him? For what, a 2nd round pick? Yeah, that'll help.

The amount of problems this team has right now, Bennett isn't even top 5 things to worry about at this point.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

So again and for the hundredth time ...

Is there any documented request from either the Bennett camp or the Flames of this request?


Friedman called the agent, asked him if Bennett, given his circumstances, would be open to a change of scene. Elliotte said the agent said he would

The Flames were reportedly blindsided by this, and unimpressed

Being open to something and asking for it are different things

Words matter

Agents act on behalf of their clients without green lighting every detail all the time (sometimes using methods the players may not specifically approve...which can be a big reason why players hire them - to protect them from themselves).

And guess what? It worked. His client has ended up in a better playing situation, and has improved his odds of moving on to another opportunity. No doubt BT's phone rang a lot more. He should be sending the agent a thank-you card.

So much ado about something that should have been obvious to everyone. Yet hearing it verbalized sends everyone into a frenzy.

Originally Posted by Red

When it comes to team chemistry I will side with an ex NHLer every time. I don't know what makes you think your opinion on this is more correct.

Originally Posted by pepper24

Rhett's correct about Bennett trade request being an issue in the room and that overall Bennett doesn't deserve top line minutes or could even be in the press box. It's tough in the dressing room when you know someone doesn't want to be there. Bennett is a pro and has handled well from the outside but a good dressing room is a big part of any team.

If this is actually an 'issue' in the room, then we need to trade them all.

I suspect most, if not all of his teammates completely understand why Bennett might prefer an opportunity somewhere else instead of 4th line duty.

[Red]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

He's an ex NHLer, yes. However I think you're appealing to authority here when he's flat out mis-stating facts.



I disagree with him, but I am not saying my opinion is correct.

Both are opinions - not facts.

I addressed the details he mis-stated as facts and disproved though.

You mocked +/- while quoting advanced stats to show how important Bennett is. That's far from facts.
Either way. We have different opinions on how valuable an opinion from a guy like him is. All we know is that he lived the NHL life while you and me didn't. I value real life experience. Maybe to a fault I guess.

And team chemistry is important. Much more important than a bottom 6 player.
We don't know if there are hard feelings about Sam's top line ice time, but it's not hard to see why that would make some upset. Leivo and Simon signed low dollar deals here because there was an opening on Monahans wing. Now they see that opportunity given to a guy that is not any better and has asked to be traded. Let's remember, they are playing for the next contract. Are they regretting signing here?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

No for all practical purposes, they are really the same thing. When you're "open" to leaving, you already have one foot out the door. When you have one foot out the door, you might as well have two. How invested in this team do you really think Sam is at this point?

The fact he went all "no comment" on this topic when asked tells you all you need to know about what he's thinking.

Have you ever interviewed for another job but then decided you didn't want to change?

People do this - it isn't some kind of an attack on the current employer.

Some of you act like he tore his jersey in two and threw it on the ice

[Buzzard]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Interested to see what happens at the deadline/in the summer with him. I'd take a chance on him but don't think Calgary would trade him to a rival.

Just for fun...you're Ken Holland. What would you'd give to get him?

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

No for all practical purposes, they are really the same thing. When you're "open" to leaving, you already have one foot out the door. When you have one foot out the door, you might as well have two. How invested in this team do you really think Sam is at this point?

The fact he went all "no comment" on this topic when asked tells you all you need to know about what he's thinking.

His contract is up at the end of the year. So yes, he does have one foot out the door.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Red

You mocked +/- while quoting advanced stats to show how important Bennett is. That's far from facts.
Either way. We have different opinions on how valuable an opinion from a guy like him is. All we know is that he lived the NHL life while you and me didn't. I value real life experience. Maybe to a fault I guess.

And team chemistry is important. Much more important than a bottom 6 player.
We don't know if there are hard feelings about Sam's top line ice time, but it's not hard to see why that would make some upset. Leivo and Simon signed low dollar deals here because there was an opening on Monahans wing. Now they see that opportunity given to a guy that is not any better and has asked to be traded. Let's remember, they are playing for the next contract. Are they regretting signing here?

Leivo and Simon signed the deals they did because they were the best available for them.

Both had their opportunity there before Bennett. Both squandered it.