2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Depends on the situation. And when I mentioned the 1C being elite, I did say the Flames need to add.

I understand that but I still struggle to see it. I look at the teams that have 2 elite centers and I don’t see them trading 1 for Tkachuk. Maybe you have some thoughts on potential targets?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I understand that but I still struggle to see it. I look at the teams that have 2 elite centers and I don’t see them trading 1 for Tkachuk. Maybe you have some thoughts on potential targets?

I have no idea who is available. If I was a GM I wouldn't trade a #1C ever, but they do get traded from time to time for various reasons.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I have no idea who is available. If I was a GM I wouldn't trade a #1C ever, but they do get traded from time to time for various reasons.

Was the last one Seguin? I mean, ROR wasn’t the Sabres 1C, though he essentially became that in St. Louis.

I do know that Boston did it twice and both times seemed to lose, although they remained a good team.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The issue for me with him is purely the contract and what its going to take to re-sign him.

I like Tkachuk at $7 million a season. I'm not nearly as excited about him when he's making close to $10 million. It's just a lot of money to play a player to stand in front of the net on the powerplay and bring some intangibles. He's never going to threaten defensemen one on one and he's just not a guy that can carry the puck from one end of the ice to another (has he ever even had a breakaway in his career?). He's a nice piece but I don't think he's a franchise player and he's not a good value at franchise money. Be honest and ask yourself if your favorite team is facing a team that's best forward is Matthew Tkachuk are you really worried that he's going to be a major pain 5 on 5?

Monahan is clearly not good enough as a #1 center and paying Tkachuk #1 center money isn't going to fix that problem.

[Roof-Daddy]

Duchene was a 1C when he got traded from Colorado to Ottawa, and then again from Ottawa to Columbus. His numbers have dwindled since signing in Nashville, but he was a 1C when he was traded.

Johansen was also a 1C when he was traded. He's also turned into an overpaid glorified 2C at best the last few seasons, but was a 1C when traded.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I have no idea who is available. If I was a GM I wouldn't trade a #1C ever, but they do get traded from time to time for various reasons.

#1 C's get traded, generally, when they force the issue for a number of reasons.

Often it's about money.

Sometimes it's because they aren't performing up to expectations, or they are getting older.

There is usually some risk involved, otherwise they wouldn't be available.

Eichel likely is not available, and if he is, teams will line up for a shot at him. Bidding will be excessive, and I doubt the Flames have the pieces that would win the bidding war, which likely includes a very young and cost controlled centre coming back. The Flames best established tradable assets are all approaching UFA a little too soon.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I like Tkachuk at $7 million a season. I'm not nearly as excited about him when he's making close to $10 million. It's just a lot of money to play a player to stand in front of the net on the powerplay and bring some intangibles. He's never going to threaten defensemen one on one and he's just not a guy that can carry the puck from one end of the ice to another (has he ever even had a breakaway in his career?). He's a nice piece but I don't think he's a franchise player and he's not a good value at franchise money. Be honest and ask yourself if your favorite team is facing a team that's best forward is Matthew Tkachuk are you really worried that he's going to be a major pain 5 on 5?

Monahan is clearly not good enough as a #1 center and paying Tkachuk #1 center money isn't going to fix that problem.

I agree with this. Tkachuk did have a breakaway this year though - that game where Monahan sprung him, he didn’t score, Gaudreau whacked at it and the Tkachuk ended up putting it in. But he has too have a real jump, which means he’s cheating out of the zone.

Monahan isn’t a top end 1C. Neither is Lindholm. I totally get why they continue to split them - they think two lower end 1Cs can be harder to defend than all of the eggs in one basket, plus it puts Tkachuk on an island. And neither Monahan or Lindholm make top 1C money anyway.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I like Tkachuk at $7 million a season. I'm not nearly as excited about him when he's making close to $10 million. It's just a lot of money to play a player to stand in front of the net on the powerplay and bring some intangibles. He's never going to threaten defensemen one on one and he's just not a guy that can carry the puck from one end of the ice to another (has he ever even had a breakaway in his career?). He's a nice piece but I don't think he's a franchise player and he's not a good value at franchise money. Be honest and ask yourself if your favorite team is facing a team that's best forward is Matthew Tkachuk are you really worried that he's going to be a major pain 5 on 5?

Monahan is clearly not good enough as a #1 center and paying Tkachuk #1 center money isn't going to fix that problem.

Tkachuk will want Mark Stone money or more. Would anyone take Tkachuk over Stone?

A right shooting RW this team so desperately needs.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Duchene was a 1C when he got traded from Colorado to Ottawa, and then again from Ottawa to Columbus. His numbers have dwindled since signing in Nashville, but he was a 1C when he was traded.

Johansen was also a 1C when he was traded. He's also turned into an overpaid glorified 2C at best the last few seasons, but was a 1C when traded.

God I hate to say it but the team should probably kick the tires on RNH. They will probably have to move Gaudreau and if they can get prospects/picks back the freed up salary could sign the Nuge. He's not a #1 center but maybe getting out of Edmonton would be what he needs to take a step forward. Monahan could then slot as the #2 and remain on the top PP unit. It's not pretty but there really aren't going to be a lot of options and the idea of Monahan as the #1 center without Gaudreau is horrifying to me.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Duchene was a 1C when he got traded from Colorado to Ottawa, and then again from Ottawa to Columbus. His numbers have dwindled since signing in Nashville, but he was a 1C when he was traded.

Johansen was also a 1C when he was traded. He's also turned into an overpaid glorified 2C at best the last few seasons, but was a 1C when traded.

Well, neither of those guys are the type of 1C that moves the needle for us anyway.

I guess you’d look for someone like a Tavares, who’s 1C quality but on a team with a young 1C. Or one that is a great 1C but on a team that needs to rebuild, like an Iginla, except he was a RW and traded 3 years too late.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by alan21

Maybe Tre is just waiting for the next uptick in production before making any major moves because why sell at their lowest point? The whole team is so noticeably bad there's no way every GM in the league hasn't noticed.

I don't think these little 'upticks' or 'downticks' mean much. GM's aren't goldfish. They're going to look at the career of the player as a whole. They're going to look at his pre-NHL career, his NHL career to date, and where they think he is going and how does he fit into their plans.

Aside from a pure rental scenario at the trade deadline, this is likely the start of how hockey operations evaluate players. They probably don't read who yahoo thinks is going to have a hot week, or not.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Duchene was a 1C when he got traded from Colorado to Ottawa, and then again from Ottawa to Columbus. His numbers have dwindled since signing in Nashville, but he was a 1C when he was traded.

Johansen was also a 1C when he was traded. He's also turned into an overpaid glorified 2C at best the last few seasons, but was a 1C when traded.

Jeff Carter, ROR? PLD, although he is not so established yet.

[Red]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, neither of those guys are the type of 1C that moves the needle for us anyway.

I guess you’d look for someone like a Tavares, who’s 1C quality but on a team with a young 1C. Or one that is a great 1C but on a team that needs to rebuild, like an Iginla, except he was a RW and traded 3 years too late.

Let's be honest here. It won't take a franchise C to improve on what we have right now. A guy with a friggen pulse would be welcome change.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by t0rrent98

How does Monahan/Gaudreau for Eichel/Skinner trade sound? probably have to throw in a few more pieces through. LOL...

The problem with that is you are effectively paying $19M for one player.

You can't build a team around that, and that is one of the challenges that Buffalo is facing.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Poe969

At this point, I think the Flames should blow it up and pick up Skinner. That team would probably give up a lot just to get him off the roster. They have some decent prospects, young players and their picks will be high because they suck!

Cozens, uka-pekka-whatevet, Pekar, quinn, first round picks....

Skinner is on the books for 6 more years after this one.

Taking on crappy contracts during a rebuild is great, but they have to be short term in nature. You can't take on $9M of dead money for 6+ years.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Red

Jeff Carter, ROR? PLD, although he is not so established yet.

ROR was on a team with Jack Eichel, so not a 1C there. He was essentially put into a Backlund role.

Carter in Philly? Maybe, though Giroux scored more (I can’t remember if he was a wing or C then). But he was never a 1C after that trade - crapped out in Columbus (on purpose I believe) and slotted behind Kopitar in LA.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Skinner is on the books for 6 more years after this one.

Taking on crappy contracts during a rebuild is great, but they have to be short term in nature. You can't take on $9M of dead money for 6+ years.

I’d do it if they took Lucic so you’d end up with $4M of dead money for the first while. Man, just looking at that shows how bad that contract is. Skinner is only 28 - it’s weird how he is so useless.

[genetic_phreek]

Eichel is Chuck Norris on skates. Yes please.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Red

Let's be honest here. It won't take a franchise C to improve on what we have right now. A guy with a friggen pulse would be welcome change.

Again, not DuChene or RyJo.

[Enoch Root]

#1 Cs get traded occasional, yes. But it is usually #1 Cs who have a flaw, like Johansen and Duchene

Potential stars, who are still on their ELC for 2 more years after this one, are NEVER traded. Unless it was for an equivalent young star.