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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

Hartley was also incredible at his ability for figuring out the goalie utilization from my recollection. Knowing when to start one tender over the other. Especially during the playoff win year.

It was unreal the PO year. It was the reverse the next year, so I think it was a fluke.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It was unreal the PO year. It was the reverse the next year, so I think it was a fluke.

Yeah. Should have been so much better with 3 goalies to choose from

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Chonger

Gio can barely handle hanging in there against NHL players and we still got him as captain and 1st pairing minutes? Who runs this insane asylum?

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Giolddano should not be playing on back to back nights and definitely should not be out there in OT.

Even a useless coach such as Brent Sutter or Greg Gilbert knows that.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan

If we are talking Robert who calls in to the Fan, no he is not. He's a near 70 year old man who is terrified of computers as he sees them as an insturment of the antichrist. No I am not joking. How do I know this about him? Cause.. le sigh.. he's my dear ole dads.

Oh man.....you should be on CP Radio hosting Post-Game with him....

I would tune in for that....absolutely.

Does he have literature that you could forward?

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Giolddano should not be playing on back to back nights and definitely should not be out there in OT.

Even a useless coach such as Brent Sutter or Greg Gilbert knows that.

If I were running the bench Gio wouldn't have seen a single shift in OT

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I wouldn’t scratch Gio unless I think he’s not trying, and I certainly wouldn’t strip him of the C unless he’s quit on the team. That never goes over well. It’s not Gio’s fault he’s old. Anyway, the C is just a patch. If there are other leaders, they will lead anyway.

You scratch guys for lack of effort, for refusing to play the way you want them to, for repeating the same mistakes over and over that you’ve been after them on. Or, with bottom guys or rookies, because of the lineup or because you want them to see a game from up top.

You take away his C for his play or lack of play against Kyle Connor. That was vomit inducing.

The smallest guy on the Jets just scored 2 goals on us and you have a chance to smoke him into the boards and he doesn't even put a pinky on him.

He's mailed it man.

[Always Earned Never Given]

Yesterday I rewatched the first period of the first game of the season against the Jets and the D was pinching, The d was active, kept pucks alive in the OZ. Nice passing plays, stretch passes, shots on net, forechecking from the forwards. There was movement and flow.

Also Chucky tipping shots which should be his bread and butter instead of the 1 in a million between the legs move.

Then after the intermission something changed and they went on to lose in OT.

Next two games they played well...then came the 5 day break.

To me it seems that when these guys play with instinct and not like robots (X's and O's), they play much much better or at least it is fun to watch as a fan!

Sorry Ward but you vacuumed the instinct out of these players.....

If you have no fun playing Hockey this is what you get as a product.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Just going off what Friedman said this morning - that he’d scratch someone big tomorrow.

I’d scratch Backlund and Giordano.

The two longest serving Flames who have been players who have worn letters pretty much the entire time. Both have been terrible in more games than not this season.

I’d bring in Phillips and Ruzicka, I’d also scratch Sam Bennett and trade him before the weekend ends.

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Mangiapane
Tkachuk - Ruzicka - Phillips
Lucic - Monahan - Leivo
Nordstrom - Dube - Simon

You would scratch a big player. I would. We all would!

Ward won't.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Did no one else think they tried to play a style different from TOR series? Last night the breakouts seemed more of attempt to what some of us calling for but as Rasmus said it wasn't clean? Fatigue, just bad bounces too when they try to open things up.

I haven't compared via pvr but first blush it was stylistically different but I'm no coach. Maybe I'm totally wrong but it looked like they tried to be more offensive.

It appears they are in games when they play tight. DAL last year made a similar change.

I'm for whatever gets them wins or points at this stage. Lock it down at least until you get some traction.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Phil Kessel was in the 90s once. Same with Hall. Same with Todd Bertuzzi. Guy Chouinard had 107. Jiri is right - elite guys do it more than once, and they do it even when teams adjust to them. Iginla, kin the dead puck era, scored 30 goals every year, 50 in a few that went really well, changed teams and did it again.

Johnny does skate into outnumbered situations, but there’s no system that insists on that. He just does it. Because he won’t pass early enough, and he refuses to cut to the middle any more. I don’t blame him after all the hacks he’s taken. But at his peace he was going between the circles - defenders backed off because they thought he was going outside. Now he only does go outside and they’ve discovered he’s not fast enough to turn the corner.

Well this is all over the place. We are bringing up Guy Chouinard from the 70s?

My comment about skating in to outnumbered situations wasn’t just about Johnny. Seems to be the game plan

It isn’t practical to respond to anything everyone can think of

I will continue to believe that Johnny has elite talent, is playing well this year and could be doing more if the team wasn’t in a mess, and you guys can believe whatever it is that you believe, which kind of sounds like that all of the players on the team who ever did anything were just lucky and aren’t really all that good, and that the coach is fine, or whatever.

Like I say, I don’t get the psychology of it but find it interesting

[Bleeding Red]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Just going off what Friedman said this morning - that he’d scratch someone big tomorrow.

I’d scratch Backlund and Giordano.

The two longest serving Flames who have been players who have worn letters pretty much the entire time. Both have been terrible in more games than not this season.

I’d bring in Phillips and Ruzicka, I’d also scratch Sam Bennett and trade him before the weekend ends.

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Mangiapane
Tkachuk - Ruzicka - Phillips
Lucic - Monahan - Leivo
Nordstrom - Dube - Simon

My post earlier:


First thing tomorrow: Show we mean business and that no one is safe,

- Waive Simon, Lievo, Nordstorm and send them to Stockton. No one is taking them
-Send Gadwin, Dube, & Valimaki to Stockton. All do not need waivers.
-Sit out Tkachuk, Lucic, & Gio the next game
- Give Ritchie, Stone, Phillips, Ruzicka a shot


That would be a message.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

you guys can believe whatever it is that you believe, which kind of sounds like that all of the players on the team who ever did anything were just lucky and aren’t really all that good, and that the coach is fine, or whatever.

Like I say, I don’t get the psychology of it but find it interesting

You don't get it because you clearly aren't trying to understand it. And that is made clear when you state the above.
Are you reading what people are writing with a sincere effort to understand or just to dismiss and minimize and misrepresent?

[Johnny Makarov]

Tkachuk should have been sat out so many games at the beginning of the season. Same with Giold, Backlund, Lucic and Valimaki.

Ward has no guts and and no balls to do any of that.

[DeluxeMoustache]

5 d pp!
5 d pp!

[Johnny Makarov]

The best thing out of all this. We are still making the playoffs with this non-hitting buttery pillowy soft toilet paper team with it's inept coach and fossil captain! hahahaha

Thank you Covid!

[Voodooman]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

If I were running the bench Gio wouldn't have seen a single shift in OT

Exactly! Just rotate through Rasmus, Valimaki and Hanifan. OT is only 5 minutes, why do we need more than 3 D-men?

I feel for Gio, but Father Time is undefeated, and Gio is out on his feet. If it were the on-ice only, that’s one thing, but he seems to have turned into a sour prick at the same time.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

You don't get it because you clearly aren't trying to understand it. And that is made clear when you state the above.
Are you reading what people are writing with a sincere effort to understand or just to dismiss and minimize and misrepresent?

That was a dismount.

Just because I don’t care doesn’t mean I don’t understand

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Voodooman

Exactly! Just rotate through Rasmus, Valimaki and Hanifan. OT is only 5 minutes, why do we need more than 3 D-men?

I feel for Gio, but Father Time is undefeated, and Gio is out on his feet. If it were the on-ice only, that’s one thing, but he seems to have turned into a sour prick at the same time.

Having 3 forwards out in OT would be better than having Gio out there.

[blender]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Do you think JG lighting it up if paired with a great C or otherwise put in a better position means trading him is a mistake? Kessel got 92 points in Pitt, where never did in Toronto. And never was going to as the main guy. But on a team with Crosby/Malkin - yeah.

No I don't think trading Gaudreau will necessarily be a mistake, and I don't think the final judgment will depend on how he performs elsewhere.

There is a calculus that has to be considered from the Flames perspective and it has been discussed here at length;
What kind of return can the Flames get for him, does he want to be here, what does his contract look like long term, etc.

I'm more focused on his history with the Flames and how it is looking more and more likely that it is going to be another case of a dynamic star player that didn't realize team success with the Flames.

It is very easy to be critical of Gaudreau (and Monahan, too for that matter), but irrespective of whether he is an elite player or just a star, or whatever you want to call him, players of his caliber don't grow on trees, and when you have that player on your team, as a manger you MUST find a way to be relevant.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Just going off what Friedman said this morning - that he’d scratch someone big tomorrow.

I’d scratch Backlund and Giordano.

The two longest serving Flames who have been players who have worn letters pretty much the entire time. Both have been terrible in more games than not this season.

I’d bring in Phillips and Ruzicka, I’d also scratch Sam Bennett and trade him before the weekend ends.

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Mangiapane
Tkachuk - Ruzicka - Phillips
Lucic - Monahan - Leivo
Nordstrom - Dube - Simon

If you do this, its scorched earth. I don't think the team recovers from scratching the respected captain and another vet. That would be like hitting the nuke button, you are making huge trades after that, maybe quite a few of them.

The team doesn't need to be nuked. It needs to be tweaked. And it needs a real coach for once. Getting a new coach in is a way better option that what Freidman suggested.