American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

I know you disagree with these things but to imply that those 4 boxes make him equivalent to Trump is nonsense to me.

Where did I even come close to implying that?

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Where did I even come close to implying that?

"Well at least he doesn't tweet mean things." .... I read that as you saying that their Twitter manners is the only difference between the two.

[burn_this_city]

This made me laugh.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

This made me laugh.

To be fair, before we say nothing is accomplished at all, lets see what actually gets through congress in the next 2 years.

For now. Biden has signed numerous Executive Orders for the left.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Mull

Stop changing my words.
I never said bipartisan is needed.

Long game? Higher minimum wage is a popular ideal, but not universally accepted, even on the left.

Give it lip service to its own debate, and ram it through.

You get what you want, without dealing with the attacks of jamming it in the COVID emergency funding.

Be smart about your actions, and get what you want.

In what world can a government that holds all three branches not get what they want?

How's "giving lip service" and dragging things out worked out in the past for them?

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Mull

To be fair, before we say nothing is accomplished at all, lets see what actually gets through congress in the next 2 years.

For now. Biden has signed numerous Executive Orders for the left.

I am kind of curious what people expect that Bernie would have been able to do in this time that Biden hasn't. Biden has been trying to implement some of these things the progressives champion, but it is congress that has stopped him.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

In what world can a government that holds all three branches not get what they want?

How's "giving lip service" and dragging things out worked out in the past for them?

So you have moved on from accusing me of hoping for a bipartisan solution I see.

I think you need to look up the United Stated three branches of government. I am only aware of the Dems controlling 2 of the 3

I wasn't aware of Democrats giving lip service in the past, only incompetent attempts of bipartisanship, which I wasn't promoting.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

This made me laugh.

I think that meme has a boom anime babe, that makes you think the wrong thing

Spoiler!

Disclaimer: my response it just to make the bad dad joke, and not reflective of the actual content of the meme

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

In what world can a government that holds all three branches not get what they want?

How's "giving lip service" and dragging things out worked out in the past for them?

trouble is Biden doesnt hold the senate, Joe Manchin does

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Mull

Stop changing my words.

... It's Psycnet.

EDIT: Oh, I see your join date now, that explains it.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

"Well at least he doesn't tweet mean things." .... I read that as you saying that their Twitter manners is the only difference between the two.

No, I'm just saying that he's failing on a good chunk of his promises already. Some of the EOs have been good, but it's largely been exactly what I expected. The "return to normal" that does dick all for working people.

Originally Posted by nfotiu

I am kind of curious what people expect that Bernie would have been able to do in this time that Biden hasn't. Biden has been trying to implement some of these things the progressives champion, but it is congress that has stopped him.

Bernie isn't the president, so it's time to stop using him as a whataboutism. If he was the president and failing to get anything done while holding both wings of Congress, I'd be all over him, too.

Biden supporters kept trumpeting his agenda as the most progressive in U.S. history. That's nice, but you have to actually follow through on those progressive elements if you want credit for them.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Why do they need bipartisan agreement with *anything*?

Because they need 60 votes in the Senate to pass bills. They can use reconciliation (where they can pass a bill with a simple majority) in a narrow way and likely will for the COVID relief bill, but the minimum wage portion would have almost surely violated that unless they just made it temporary or something.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

I am kind of curious what people expect that Bernie would have been able to do in this time that Biden hasn't. Biden has been trying to implement some of these things the progressives champion, but it is congress that has stopped him.

The #### does Bernie have to do with anything?

People want Biden to keep his promises, not tiptoe around them with not right nows, we'll sees, and maybe nots. You have the house and you have congress, do what you said you would do.

Biden is President. People who wanted anyone but Trump got what they wanted. Time to hold the President's feet to the fire and treat him with the same quality of critique as Trump.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Because they need 60 votes in the Senate to pass bills. They can use reconciliation in a narrow way (and likely will for the COVID relief bill), but the minimum wage portion would have almost surely violated that unless they just made it temporary or something.

This combined with what AFC stated above - Manchin holds the senate and he is on record, time and time again (as I learned from our friend John Oliver) that he will not vote to remove the filibuster.

[troutman]

Should we have a separate thread for "Biden Transgressions"? I think there is enough to discuss there to warrant a different thread, and leave this one for other US political topics.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by troutman

Should we have a separate thread for "Biden Transgressions"? I think there is enough to discuss there to warrant a different thread, and leave this one for other US political topics.

Wasn't Trump's transgressions all rolled into one political thread (or multiple versions of the same thread)?
New here, but I like it all in one place as it is all interconeccted.

Biden is impacted by congress and vice versa, hard to understand what would be the difference in the two threads

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by troutman

Should we have a separate thread for "Biden Transgressions"? I think there is enough to discuss there to warrant a different thread, and leave this one for other US political topics.

Why? He's the President now, his transgressions or whatever are what we should be talking about in this thread.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by troutman

Should we have a separate thread for "Biden Transgressions"? I think there is enough to discuss there to warrant a different thread, and leave this one for other US political topics.

I can't tell if this is supposed to be serious or not.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

In what world can a government that holds all three branches not get what they want?

How's "giving lip service" and dragging things out worked out in the past for them?

You're confusing "what progressives want", and what the Democrat Senators, House Representatives, and President want.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

Your confusing "what progressives want", and what the Democrat Senators, House Representatives, and President want.

Uh no, we're talking about what Biden promised and what Americans as a whole want if you go by polling. $15/h minimum wage is insanely popular with voters across both parties and independents. As are $2000 stimulus cheques, both of which were promised by this administration.