[PGT] Flames Lose to Canucks by a lot of goals

[868904]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

So, maybe have Lindholm centre Gaudreau and Monahan?

Imagine if Monahan didn't have to worry as much about the defensive side of the game, could he be a perennial 40 goal winger? You'd think that if James Neal can score 40, Mony should be able to. Both guys are really all about their wrist shot.

[dirk diggler]

didnt watch the game last night, havent been watching much as i feel the compete level for this team is not good. At this point, Ottawa likely beats these guys. Maybe they need yet another team meeting.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I wonder if the NHL is going to be forever altered after this pandemic. Even if/when we get the green light to resume our lives I think it could take a long time before the NHL sees a lot of sold out buildings. I could see the Flames season ticket base taking a hit as people either lose interest or found other hobbies to occupy their time. If you are a season ticket holder that's on the fence about renewing, the team's play certainly isn't helping the case to renew.

A lot of people were saying this during the strike as well: "millionaires fighting billionaires and the fans lose - well, #### that, I'm done!"

Then play resumed and we immediately saw the highest attendance ever.

So, we'll see. But as it stands right now, renewing my season tickets is by no means a given.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

A lot of people were saying this during the strike as well: "millionaires fighting billionaires and the fans lose - well, #### that, I'm done!"

Then play resumed and we immediately saw the highest attendance ever.

So, we'll see. But as it stands right now, renewing my season tickets is by no means a given.

I think this is a little different because the strike didn't come with the economic effects of the pandemic with people losing their jobs and we have seen a decline in TV sports viewership as well so it's possible priorities have changed for a large group of people. I don't discount that things will one day get to normal as people have short memories. I just think it may take a a period of 2-5 years before things get back to normal.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

didnt watch the game last night, havent been watching much as i feel the compete level for this team is not good. At this point, Ottawa likely beats these guys. Maybe they need yet another team meeting.

Well they had a coach call out last night.

Maybe that buys them 2-3 good games.

Strong efforts against edmonton will relax people short term. Exactly how you continue to fly under the radar being mediocre overall.

[keeper34]

Flames playing 60 mins of hockey? More like 6 mins of hockey. Our rookie coach is an embarrassment.

[mrdonkey]

Just about any Flames fan with a shred of intellectual honesty about this team knows they are not a contender. I question why those who have expressed so much dissatisfaction, apathy, and frustration continue to spend their valuable time and money supporting the Flames when it’s clear as day that they’re just spinning their tires again. Honest to God, if you held a gun to my head and asked me to tell you what this organization’s plan is, I wouldn’t be able to tell you.

This is an entertainment business, and when it comes to entertainment even the Young Guns had more to offer than this bunch. At least they had a direction and were fun to watch sometimes. Just stop and think about what you’re really getting out of the viewing experience and if it’s all worth it. I know we’re still in the middle of a pandemic but there’s a whole world out there of other things to do.

For the record, I could have written this exact same rant during the Gulutzan years and copied and pasted it here and absolutely nothing would need to be changed (well, except for the pandemic thing). Really consider that for a second.

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Just about any Flames fan with a shred of intellectual honesty about this team knows they are not a contender. I question why those who have expressed so much dissatisfaction, apathy, and frustration continue to spend their valuable time and money supporting the Flames when it’s clear as day that they’re just spinning their tires again. Honest to God, if you held a gun to my head and asked me to tell you what this organization’s plan is, I wouldn’t be able to tell you.

This is an entertainment business, and when it comes to entertainment even the Young Guns had more to offer than this bunch. At least they had a direction and were fun to watch sometimes. Just stop and think about what you’re really getting out of the viewing experience and if it’s all worth it. I know we’re still in the middle of a pandemic but there’s a whole world out there of other things to do.

For the record, I could have written this exact same rant during the Gulutzan years and copied and pasted it here and absolutely nothing would need to be changed (well, except for the pandemic thing). Really consider that for a second.

Ha, well for me this may be the first time I couldn't care less whether I catch any action of an upcoming BOA matchup...I really can find better things to do

[dirk diggler]

I really hoped the Flames would have moved on from Treliving in favour of Hextall prior to him getting the Penguin job, he did a solid job of drafting for the Flyers. I dont think Treliving is bad but i dont feel he is the answer either. This team will need to retool and i dont think he is the guy

[Dion]

Originally Posted by robertsfan

Is it wrong to hope Edmonton really puts it on the Flames this Saturday, with the underlying hope / intent being that a blow-out loss would be the final catalyst to drive change in the organization?

[flames_fan_down_under]

16 games into the season and we have already had a team meeting and now the coach has called out their level of engagement. How long can we keep reading this same story?

All of us here have watched a lot of hockey. We are a pretty intelligent and engaged hockey community, otherwise we wouldn’t be here. We all see it with this team. We see a team with a severe lack of effort, execution, puck pursuit, energy, GAF, whatever you want to call it. We know what a hard working team looks like and this has not been it for a long long time. We see a team that loses 50:50 battles regularly, offers fairly little in physical play, has horrible starts to games, has a goalie consistently bail them out and keep them in games. Changing line combinations is going to do nothing of really any significance. The problems run deep. The culture of this team is rotten. They’re complacent group content on being average and management has rewarded that complacency with giving letters and big contracts to the guys who are at the centre of this lethargic mess of a team. There needs to be a complete and total reset of this team. The core needs to be gutted. All the significant names have to be moved.

Tkachuk came on this team playing like a guy who wanted to compete and win and now after a few seasons the culture of this team has finally sucked him into the black hole of complacency and removed any of his fire that once existed. We can’t let this continue to happen to future players. The culture of hard work, intensity and commitment needs to be established and maintained through all levels of our farm system and into the Flames locker room.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by robertsfan

Is it wrong to hope Edmonton really puts it on the Flames this Saturday, with the underlying hope / intent being that a blow-out loss would be the final catalyst to drive change in the organization?

There couldn't be anything more wrong in the long, storied history of wrongs.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

16 games into the season and we have already had a team meeting and now the coach has called out their level of engagement. How long can we keep reading this same story?

All of us here have watched a lot of hockey. We are a pretty intelligent and engaged hockey community, otherwise we wouldn’t be here. We all see it with this team. We see a team with a severe lack of effort, execution, puck pursuit, energy, GAF, whatever you want to call it. We know what a hard working team looks like and this has not been it for a long long time. We see a team that loses 50:50 battles regularly, offers fairly little in physical play, has horrible starts to games, has a goalie consistently bail them out and keep them in games. Changing line combinations is going to do nothing of really any significance. The problems run deep. The culture of this team is rotten. They’re complacent group content on being average and management has rewarded that complacency with giving letters and big contracts to the guys who are at the centre of this lethargic mess of a team. There needs to be a complete and total reset of this team. The core needs to be gutted. All the significant names have to be moved.

Tkachuk came on this team playing like a guy who wanted to compete and win and now after a few seasons the culture of this team has finally sucked him into the black hole of complacency and removed any of his fire that once existed. We can’t let this continue to happen to future players. The culture of hard work, intensity and commitment needs to be established and maintained through all levels of our farm system and into the Flames locker room.

sad to say but that is very accurate. After their early season meeting, they came out and played with such intensity against Montreal. that lasted 1 game. As i said, Treliving is not the solution, he seems scared to make the big "Laine" type trade to shake things up.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

sad to say but that is very accurate. After their early season meeting, they came out and played with such intensity against Montreal. that lasted 1 game. As i said, Treliving is not the solution, he seems scared to make the big "Laine" type trade to shake things up.

Well the Jets got bent over...I hope he is scared of making a terrible deal like that

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Well the Jets got bent over...I hope he is scared of making a terrible deal like that

i didnt mean trade for Laine specifically but a big trade involving a core guy. I wouldnt have traded for Laine, he is not the answer in my opinion.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

i didnt mean trade for Laine specifically but a big trade involving a core guy. I wouldnt have traded for Laine, he is not the answer in my opinion.

I would have if Roslovic was the ‘throw in’. Unreal trade, just as an aside.

[dino7c]

My point is don't make a bad trade just to make a trade... especially this season

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

sad to say but that is very accurate. After their early season meeting, they came out and played with such intensity against Montreal. that lasted 1 game. As i said, Treliving is not the solution, he seems scared to make the big "Laine" type trade to shake things up.

Treliving has made as many big trades as most GMs. And had others lined up when the incoming player vetoed. This isn’t the issue.

[heep223]

Why didn’t we hire Gallant? Still could.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by heep223

Why didn’t we hire Gallant? Still could.

Because that would be ..too easy?