[PGT] Flames Lose to Canucks by a lot of goals

[mennoknight]

Originally Posted by Flame On

I hear you. I think with the pandemic everyone's lives have been derailed in some way or other. Could be socially, career, health, but everyone's.
I think with Flames hockey for me, I was hoping for some anchor of something going well. But it just isn't and that makes it just another thing that is out of our control.
Probably that's partly why I shout about coaching from the rafters, it's something tangible. However I realize there's going to be no silver bullet for success with this mess the team is in.

This is well put. I'm just scrambling in all aspects of life, looking for something hopeful. When you watch something/someone you are invested in and love make mistakes that don't make sense in your head, all you can do is yell and throw your hands up.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Come on... we're soft as butter on you

Yes, but I'm a lovable little scamp.

[Fan in Exile]

I'm not confident that this group of players can get it done. But I am certain that they are not being well-coached. I don't know how anyone who watches the team closely can't see that. Their breakouts are slow and predictable, other teams have adapted game plans to counter ours, and Ward has made no counter-adjustments except to shuffle personnel in a haphazard manner. I see a lot of players playing with no confidence doing what they are told instead of relying on their instincts and strengths.

I really do believe a coaching change needs to be made. The writing is on the wall. It's the lowest risk move to make.

[robertsfan]

Is it wrong to hope Edmonton really puts it on the Flames this Saturday, with the underlying hope / intent being that a blow-out loss would be the final catalyst to drive change in the organization?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Yes it is wrong, never cheer for losses.

[Monahammer]

^^ Especially not to Edmonton, that is a drawn and quartered level offense IMO.

[CroCop]

Originally Posted by robertsfan

Is it wrong to hope Edmonton really puts it on the Flames this Saturday, with the underlying hope / intent being that a blow-out loss would be the final catalyst to drive change in the organization?

Urg. This is probably the worst part of what is happening to these Flames. Having the Oilers moving out of our rear view mirror.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

My biggest issue with diamond in the rough factor is the "inexperience", especially if the coach does not have a winning pedigree. If your a new coach your going to have trial an error; A lot of that can be avoided by hiring the right guy for the job. Instead we are wasting away opportunities with the players, we have and may end up starting over again because we didn't get the "director" right.

Jiri made a good point about the Flames coming out of the rebuild too soon and again I think this due to some inexperience. We started adding some veteran players, this may have been more of a hinderance and added stress to our salary structure. Thus setting us back in the rebuild. I think Treliving has done some excellent work on the team but some of these revolving issues like "keeping players who were not producing, such as Neal and Brouwer" Set us back in wins, on the ice, and just a bad example for the players giving an honest effort on the ice.

I like Brad Treliving but I think he needs to decide what kind of a team he wants to build and either find a coach that matches the team, or build to suit.

My opinion, we still have the wrong coach for this group of players.

Thing is - “right guy” is a crapshoot. Experienced? Successful in the past HC gigs? Babcock failed in Toronto and “no NHL experience” Keefe has done well, Cooper’s done great with no NHL experience, Berube won a cup after mediocre PA head coaching, Julien has had really mixed results over the years, Rick Bowness made the finals last year after years and years of mediocrity.

The one thing an experienced guy would bring I suppose, is a lack of excuses for the players. But who? Boudreau is a winning guy, but people here seem to want an ass-kicker and that ain’t him. Sutter is but some think he’s old fashioned (I think he’d be fine - he’s more adaptable than people think).

[dino7c]

Two wins this weekend and the Flames are 3rd in the div with 2 games in hand on the Oilers

Don't cheer for losses

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Yes it is wrong, never cheer for losses.

It's sinful, when it's the Oilers.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The other thing I wanted to say is that, along with results, this is an entertainment business. Is anyone entertained by this style of play?

In 2014/15, we all knew they didn't have the horses to win, but they were entertaining as hell. And they competed. It was enjoyable to watch and easy to cheer for them.

Is anyone finding it easy to be a fan this year? I have all but checked out at this point.

I want to see changes simply because, win or lose right now, I am not enjoying it.

This. I'm sure I'm not different than a lot of fans where on game days I look forward to the opening puck drop but any enthusiasm I have built up after the last game vanishes the moment they start nearly every game like they just came off an extended break without their legs and the inevitable early deficit. This season has started to resemble one of those time loop movies as regardless of how they finished the last game good or bad, every first period plays out with them being down by a goal or more and you have no time to even enjoy things. Is there a stat for how long teams have held leads as it seems this team rarely carries leads in the first half of games.

[Scroopy Noopers]

They’re barely hanging on to fans through this in general. I had two fantasy leagues fold, both had been going for 10+ years.

I got into a different one because another long timer bailed. I had a few people reach out to me because everyone was bailing on their fantasy leagues.

I feel like nobody is engaged, including the players. Can’t wait until all this #### is over with.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Is anyone finding it easy to be a fan this year? I have all but checked out at this point.

I want to see changes simply because, win or lose right now, I am not enjoying it.

I honestly can't remember the last win that I didn't consider a painful win.

Sure they might have come back to win the game but how they put themselves in that position to begin with is embarrassing. That or just relying on Markstrom.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by robertsfan

Is it wrong to hope Edmonton really puts it on the Flames this Saturday, with the underlying hope / intent being that a blow-out loss would be the final catalyst to drive change in the organization?

The problem is that the probability that the owners and management do what you are hoping for, during this season, is slim.
Not with the roster as assembled, more reduced team budgets restricting the trade market, and COVID implications.
I believe strongly that an opportunity to re-shape the roster comes in the off-season and with upcoming big decisions regarding Johnny, Monahan and Tkachuk - this off-season is critical.
But nothing that happens during this season, is going to tip the team to alter the current course in this season.
So might as well hope for wins. Because the outcome you are hoping a loss to create is really unlikely

(In addition a weak draft if it happens at all, reduced motivation to blow it up even more).

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by -TC-

Saturday night has the potential to be a ####ing train wreck. I'm seriously considering not even turning the game on. I don't want to watch the Oilers put up an 8 or 9 on the Flames, and that's realistic at this point.

Originally Posted by robertsfan

Is it wrong to hope Edmonton really puts it on the Flames this Saturday, with the underlying hope / intent being that a blow-out loss would be the final catalyst to drive change in the organization?

Why Saturday, because of how much airtime they give Friedman?

Next game is Friday

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

They’re barely hanging on to fans through this in general. I had two fantasy leagues fold, both had been going for 10+ years.

I got into a different one because another long timer bailed. I had a few people reach out to me because everyone was bailing on their fantasy leagues.

I feel like nobody is engaged, including the players. Can’t wait until all this #### is over with.

I wonder if the NHL is going to be forever altered after this pandemic. Even if/when we get the green light to resume our lives I think it could take a long time before the NHL sees a lot of sold out buildings. I could see the Flames season ticket base taking a hit as people either lose interest or found other hobbies to occupy their time. If you are a season ticket holder that's on the fence about renewing, the team's play certainly isn't helping the case to renew.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Thing is - “right guy” is a crapshoot. Experienced? Successful in the past HC gigs? Babcock failed in Toronto and “no NHL experience” Keefe has done well, Cooper’s done great with no NHL experience, Berube won a cup after mediocre PA head coaching, Julien has had really mixed results over the years, Rick Bowness made the finals last year after years and years of mediocrity.

The one thing an experienced guy would bring I suppose, is a lack of excuses for the players. But who? Boudreau is a winning guy, but people here seem to want an ass-kicker and that ain’t him. Sutter is but some think he’s old fashioned (I think he’d be fine - he’s more adaptable than people think).

I agree on Sutter. I still believe banking on an experienced coach is a better. way to go. I think the bigger crapshoot is hiring a guy who has never had experience as a head coach. Either way at this stage with the window closing we need to get it right.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Two wins this weekend and the Flames are 3rd in the div with 2 games in hand on the Oilers

Don't cheer for losses

ESPECIALLY to the Oilers!

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I hear where you're coming from but it doesn't solve anything.
It would put us exactly where we've been for 5 years without the #1 centre we need, and Lindholm is becoming.

It may result in a short term improvement but they'd still dissappear in the playoffs (if we made it) and we'd be having the same complaints about Johnny & Mony as every post elimination.

Lindholm as our #1 centre is the best possible scenario for this team.
Breaking that to fix other issues isn't a real fix.

So, maybe have Lindholm centre Gaudreau and Monahan?

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Yes, but I'm a lovable little scamp.

I'd say more like an olive pit! Still no good!