1. Ownership won’t pay too dollar for a top coach or,
2. Tre tells ownership he doesn’t want a top coach and wants to groom one or.
3. Ward sucks and can’t make adjustments and can’t motivate players or.
4. The players can’t be bothered to be motivated
If it’s 1. There ain’t much to do but hope the flames either move or get sold to someone who cares.
If it’s 2. You hope ownership tells Tre to find a good coach or fire him
If it’s 3. Just fire the guy
If it’s 4. Get Gio and Backs the F out of town because they clearly are the problem as this team has had its GAF meter at 0 for years now... even going back to the iggy years where he “led by example”
If it’s all of the above you quit watching and start cheering for the panthers or something
Gio should be stripped of his captaincy, but problem is there’s nobody else to give it to.
Entire leadership team and top players are just happy to be here and happy to play pro hockey for a living but don’t actually care enough to do the little things that make you perennial winners
I don't know why the Canucks were so fired up lol.
The Flames phoned it in start to finish. Served it up on a platter and the Canucks still barely could scrape out a second goal.
First 0 period effort of the year....... I think.
Flames have had several no effort ENTIRE periods. Just think back to the leafs/habs games, 2nd period vs the jets in the first game, off the top of my head.
1. Ownership won’t pay too dollar for a top coach or,
2. Tre tells ownership he doesn’t want a top coach and wants to groom one or.
3. Ward sucks and can’t make adjustments and can’t motivate players or.
4. The players can’t be bothered to be motivated
If it’s 1. There ain’t much to do but hope the flames either move or get sold to someone who cares.
If it’s 2. You hope ownership tells Tre to find a good coach or fire him
If it’s 3. Just fire the guy
If it’s 4. Get Gio and Backs the F out of town because they clearly are the problem as this team has had its GAF meter at 0 for years now... even going back to the iggy years where he “led by example”
If it’s all of the above you quit watching and start cheering for the panthers or something
Gio should be stripped of his captaincy, but problem is there’s nobody else to give it to.
Entire leadership team and top players are just happy to be here and happy to play pro hockey for a living but don’t actually care enough to do the little things that make you perennial winners
Whoa whoa, Backlund?
I can see Gio being a problem as his output has been questionable at best, but Backlund carries the team more than the top line guys do. Frankly, Backlund would be my top captaincy pick. The other would be Andersson. I'm not sure I'd be comfortable awarding it to any one else. I love Lindholm's output, but he doesn't strike me as the captain type.
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1. Ownership won’t pay too dollar for a top coach or,
2. Tre tells ownership he doesn’t want a top coach and wants to groom one or.
3. Ward sucks and can’t make adjustments and can’t motivate players or.
4. The players can’t be bothered to be motivated
If it’s 1. There ain’t much to do but hope the flames either move or get sold to someone who cares.
If it’s 2. You hope ownership tells Tre to find a good coach or fire him
If it’s 3. Just fire the guy
If it’s 4. Get Gio and Backs the F out of town because they clearly are the problem as this team has had its GAF meter at 0 for years now... even going back to the iggy years where he “led by example”
If it’s all of the above you quit watching and start cheering for the panthers or something
Gio should be stripped of his captaincy, but problem is there’s nobody else to give it to.
Entire leadership team and top players are just happy to be here and happy to play pro hockey for a living but don’t actually care enough to do the little things that make you perennial winners
I could see Ward stripping Gio of the C and giving it to Leivo. With 5 minutes left in a tie game.
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This is essentially the same team as the 2018-2019 Flames minus Frolik, Brodie and Jankowski but with better goaltending. So who is to blame here? Have the players regressed that much in 2 years? I don’t think so. The blame lies on the AHL coach trying to be an NHL coach . He’s brutal.
Flames have had several no effort ENTIRE periods. Just think back to the leafs/habs games, 2nd period vs the jets in the first game, off the top of my head.
I mean they showed up for no periods tonight.
There have been zero effort periods sprinkled throughout the season.
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I just want a real coach for once. Give me somebody that holds these guys accountable like Hartley and Sutter and if they still suck at least we have removed all doubt. Some of the same players were part of insane comebacks and used to always come out guns blazing and gave110% under Hartley. They had a lot better cardio to, the same players. I mean I doubt its father time with all of them. Get a better coach and get these guys conditioned like Hartley did. I used to say this teamworks best in transition or off the rush but they have looked downright slow and tired outside of Dube for the most part.
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I just want a real coach for once. Give me somebody that holds these guys accountable like Hartley and Sutter and if they still stuck at least we have removed all doubt. Some of the same players were part of insane comebacks and used to always come out guns blazing and gave110% under Hartley. They had a lot better cardio to, the same players. I mean I doubt its father time with all of them. Get a better coach and get these guys conditioned like Hartley did. I used to say this teamworks best in transition or off the rush but they have looked downright slow and tired outside of Dube for the most part.
Torts would have a FIELD DAY with these guys.
Geoff Ward seems astoundingly "meh" for the kind of play he sees under his watch.
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I just want a real coach for once. Give me somebody that holds these guys accountable like Hartley and Sutter and if they still suck at least we have removed all doubt. Some of the same players were part of insane comebacks and used to always come out guns blazing and gave110% under Hartley. They had a lot better cardio to, the same players. I mean I doubt its father time with all of them. Get a better coach and get these guys conditioned like Hartley did. I used to say this teamworks best in transition or off the rush but they have looked downright slow and tired outside of Dube for the most part.
Welp, you have to go into each game with coach you have, not the coach you want. The key is to turn the coach you have into the coach you want.
Since Ward might actually take tips from the internet, I'll leave this here in case he stops by:
Im amazed you actually believe it was coaching that produced the entire inability to make or receive simple 5 foot passes....particularly when i watched them do just fine in that department the vast majority of the year. Why wasnt it "coaching" then?
But please do educate me on coaching....im all ears.
I know you're a coaching apologist as is timbit so this will be in one ear and out the other because apparently if you're a coach you're too smart to have to hear that coaches have to actually coach.
But the Flames' issue is not an "inability to make or receive simple 5 foot passes".
These are pro athletes who can do things with precision that us normal humans can't even fathom if we were out there on the ice.
So way do passes end up in skates or too far ahead or behind the target?
Because the game is played between two teams.
The other team doesn't give our players wide open targets to pass to. This is because they have scouted our pitiful breakouts and countered them.
This was obvious six periods ago.
We wonn the previous game because the puck went in the net, not because we outplayed the other team for sixty minutes.
In fact, the Flames have yet to outplay an opponent all season.
Even when they outchance the opponent, it is because of individual talent.
Never do our systems put our players in position to play at a level exceeding the sum of the parts.
We do not utilize the middle of the ice in our breakouts.
We do not break out with pace, but instead make D-to-D passes with zero urgency.
We have zero strategy for keeping the puck in the offensive zone when the other team is breaking the puck out. We just passively back up and wait to get the puck back.
We have zero strategy in the neutral zone. Bingo posted a chart the other day about how we're one of the worst teams in the NHL at zone entry denial. What does that have to do with five foot passes, huh? You don't even need the puck to play tight gaps and force dump-ins.
When the other team has scouted our breakout as Travis Green's Canucks have, we have no counter to it. We just continue trying the same thing over and over for six periods. Yeah, if we get a lead, we can maybe dictate the play a little bit more, but that shouldn't be so situationally defined. We should be dictating the play whenever possible.
But according to coaching apologists, the players should just go out there and play and if they win, that means the coaches did a good job. And if they lose, that means the players did a bad job.
Sorry, but not making five foot passes is a symptom, not a cause.
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Couldn’t tune in until the third period. My 9 year old said at the end of the game ‘why are the Canucks so happy to win, when the flames didn’t care if they won or lost?’
Geoff Ward seems astoundingly "meh" for the kind of play he sees under his watch.
Based on his inability to call a timeout when moment is crushing us, or read which players are "feeling it" on a highly basis to give thehem more reps.I genuinely don't think he knows when things are going wrong until it's all over.
Players and coaches both need to share the blame tonight.
No single player was good enough outside of Markstrom. Beat to loose pucks, couldn’t make a pass, and just all around sloppy play. Effort and execution were both off on the players side tonight and when that happens you aren’t going to win.
Power play is the perfect proxy for gauging if the team is engaged and tonight the PP was a mess. Lazy getting back once it was cleared, slow break outs, and trying to break into the zone at a stand still.
Coaches need to figure it out too though.
Our transition game is non-existent and has been all season, even in the games we’ve played good we aren’t good in the neutral zone. Giving up our own blueline way too easily, and don’t try to make plays at the offensive blueline either. It’s a very “Safe” strategy that just means you’re going to be on your heels all game.
Our defensive breakout has been figured out and teams are just right on top of the wingers on the wall now with the opposition Center reading our attempted pass back to the middle. Team needs to mix it up a bit and have more than one way of exiting our zone with possession.
Player utilization is also a disaster. 4th line was a tire fire tonight and he just kept rolling them out even when shortening the bench made so much sense in the third with Backlunds injury.
Players need to be better but coaches aren’t helping the cause or putting the players in a position to succeed either. No doubt in my mind this team would be better with Boudreau at the helm.
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