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Originally Posted by Blaster86
Sup Mr Gatekeeper. Can I come in and visit?
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Nah, I'm legit on this one. What about them makes them not punk? Their origins are punk. Their themes are punk. That they got big doesn't make them not punk. That they were one of the bands that paved the way for pop-punk doesn't mean they were.
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Well they aren't anti corporate, they aren't really nihilist, they aren't Anti- gentrification ,they are not anti mainstream and mass corporate values based on there label signings and the fact they have always been concerned with their fashion. They weren't really pro or anti anything really. Nimrod had a few tones of political awareness but only slightly. They had no punk ideologies basically in there first 6 albums.
Yes, roots maybe. They were never real punk . They are what popular culture promotes and shows what punk is . Its pop punk in the sense of what's popular culture for punk. It's a imitation that's promotable to the public. Untill green days warning they didn't even become political in ways that remotely lined with punk ideologies. The group admits this in a few interviews. Their time on DIY 924 Gilman Street club was just about marketing the right way. Tre cool once said " It was easy to gain popularity just take a picture of Ronald Reagan and cut his head off and replace it with a tank" They didn't ever line up with the ideology of punk to begin with they literally used every anti punk thing to gain fame. They used everything out of a capitalist system to their advantage as well as tried to keep up with fashions and trends to keep a image. Hence punk -pop. They were the first in a crop of punk pop. Easy to market a popular concept of punk with the likes of green day ,good charollette, sum 41. That's just kids being kids . You look at bands like misfits, dead Kennedys , black flag,minor threat etc.. were harder to promote du to the messages they were putting out. This bands actually
had had many sources trying to get them censored. You can say well these bands arent punk because they are main stream now. Which is true but they already had strong political leanings and meanings in their songs and became popular with indie companys with like minded people searching them out. Green day was with a indie record ( look out ) in 1991 with kerplunk which was basically a super close version of dookie and it was selling well but went reprise to further mainstream there band. The label wanted more songs that could be marketable and more relatable so the group developed more angsty songs over political and cultural hard hitting issues .
Like I said until greenday released warnings they didn't come close to actual punk ideologies. They were just very early 20s kids whining and angsty. Early greenday can be More liken to bands like fall out boy ,my chemical romance and panic at the disco. In 2003 when they recorded American idiot there music finally caught up to mute punk ideologies but at that point it became mute.
Compare the songs contents Dead Kennedys were putting out at age 22 and what greenday put out with dookie( age 22) the content of songs are night and day.
