2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[JBR]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Anthony Mantha makes 5.7 M

Have to throw in Stajan or Brouwer to make it work

Would be nice if Treliving could make this work but I can’t see it. Also I don’t see Detroit moving Mantha. Healthy scratch tonight but this doesn’t necessary mean he’s on the block.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by JBR

Would be nice if Treliving could make this work but I can’t see it. Also I don’t see Detroit moving Mantha. Healthy scratch tonight but this doesn’t necessary mean he’s on the block.

I also don't think that it's the first time Detroit has had use the stick to motivate Mantha either, but they never gave up on him.

Being a healthy scratch obviously sucks for the player, but it happens even to good players once in a while.

[Sandman]

Yeah, even if they wanted to trade Mantha, it would take a lot more than Bennett to get it done.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Yeah, even if they wanted to trade Mantha, it would take a lot more than Bennett to get it done.

How much more.

Anthony Mantha ticks a lot of boxes.

Tkachuk-Lindholm-Dube
Gaudreau-Monahan-Mantha

That’s a real top 6. I’d rather have Mantha there than Bennett.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

How much more.

Anthony Mantha ticks a lot of boxes.

Tkachuk-Lindholm-Dube
Gaudreau-Monahan-Mantha

That’s a real top 6. I’d rather have Mantha there than Bennett.

6'5"234lbs. Moves well. Mean. Shoots L, but plays RW. 26 years old. Yes please!

Not sure what it would take to land this guy, but just for arguments sake, it would start with Bennett and maybe Dube,or some other asset like Zary-and I don't even think that gets it's done. We could argue that a rebuilding team like Detroit would be enticed by getting younger, but Yzerman is smart and knows what cards he holds. Just my humble opinion.

Or who knows, maybe this benching is an indication that the coach and/or the organization doesn't like him, and wants to get something for him. They aren't exactly in win now mode....

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Sandman

6'5"234lbs. Moves well. Mean. Shoots L, but plays RW. 26 years old. Yes please!

Not sure what it would take to land this guy, but just for arguments sake, it would start with Bennett and maybe Dube,or some other asset like Zary-and I don't even think that gets it's done. We could argue that a rebuilding team like Detroit would be enticed by getting younger, but Yzerman is smart and knows what cards he holds. Just my humble opinion.

Or who knows, maybe this benching is an indication that the coach and/or the organization doesn't like him, and wants to get something for him. They aren't exactly in win now mode....

Bennett + 1st + Mackey/Kylington. Just spitballing.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Bennett + 1st + Mackey/Kylington. Just spitballing.

Maybe-you're probably getting warmer, but I couldn't say lol.Sure like the look of that top-6 with Mantha slotted in. That would come in handy when we're playing the Coilers, or a big team like the Jets.

[Jiri Hrdina]

You also have to make the cap work, while not creating an expansion situation for yourself.

In the scenarios being proposed you would have to expose Backlund, Eat Bread or Dube - so you'd have to consider their loss as part of the equation.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Backlund is getting exposed. He's a $5M+ third liner. That contract is not aging well, like at all.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Don’t think Detroit does it unless we gave up Hanifin. Even then I don’t know if they’d do that since they are going to probably draft a top end LD in this upcoming draft (if they have one).

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by New Era

Backlund is getting exposed. He's a $5M+ third liner. That contract is not aging well, like at all.

If it comes down to exposing Sam or Backlund - who do you expose?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If it comes down to exposing Sam or Backlund - who do you expose?

I think a lot of that depends on this season. If we falter in the playoffs, or miss them entirely, I expose Backlund. If we fail to impress come playoff time, this core has done what it can and it’s likely not a bad idea to see if we can’t shed a $5.35M third line player. If the playoffs are fruitful, I imagine the team takes another kick at the can as-is next season, so you likely expose Bennett.

I still don’t think Benny will be here come expansion time though. The player asked for a trade, and then got demoted to the taxi practice squad. If it weren’t for Ryan’s injury, I feel we’d already have seen a trade.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I think a lot of that depends on this season. If we falter in the playoffs, or miss them entirely, I expose Backlund. If we fail to impress come playoff time, this core has done what it can and it’s likely not a bad idea to see if we can’t shed a $5.35M third line player. If the playoffs are fruitful, I imagine the team takes another kick at the can as-is next season, so you likely expose Bennett.

I still don’t think Benny will be here come expansion time though. The player asked for a trade, and then got demoted to the taxi practice squad. If it weren’t for Ryan’s injury, I feel we’d already have seen a trade.

Toronto might be desperate for some grit with Simmonds out, wouldn’t be surprised to see Bennett over there. Would require overpayment, but if anyone would do that it would be Dubas.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If it comes down to exposing Sam or Backlund - who do you expose?

Backlund, but only because Bennett won't be here. Unless Bennett experiences a renaissance level change in his game and production, the Flames will not bite on his qualifier, making him a UFA. If Bennett experiences that renaissance then he would provide greater benefit over Backlund and his salary. So the two are very different situations and not really related. You were accurate in your previous grouping of players. It will come down to Mangiapane, Dube, and Backlund. Backlund doesn't have a chair when the music stops.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by New Era

Backlund is getting exposed. He's a $5M+ third liner. That contract is not aging well, like at all.

Backlund is in year-two of his five year deal. Last year he finished on pace to score +50 points, and he is currently on a 52-point pace despite having a slow start, and getting a tonne of defensive zone assignments.

Maybe that contract becomes an issue next year, or in years four or five. But as of today Backlund is playing at a level consistent with his salary.

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[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Backlund is in year-two of his five year deal. Last year he finished on pace to score +50 points, and he is currently on a 52-point pace despite having a slow start, and getting a tonne of defensive zone assignments.

Maybe that contract becomes an issue next year, or in years four or five. But as of today Backlund is playing at a level consistent with his salary.

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Yeah, sure, thanks to the three point game against the Oilers on Saturday. Prior to that he was one of the guys that stood out the most because of his lack of production. But a minor tweak in the lineup helped untrack Backlund, so we'll see if that continues. In the first 20% of the schedule the majority of his games have been pedestrian and uneventful. It also doesn't change that he's fallen to the third line center and that is a substantial amount of money to invest in a player at that level. If the plan is to leave Lindholm at center, then Backlund is expansion fodder primarily because of his salary. This is going to be an opportunity to possibly correct the imbalance in the salary structure, and whoever is running the show come the expansion draft they will be looking to lose money from the bottom of the roster if possible.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by New Era

Yeah, sure, thanks to the three point game against the Oilers on Saturday. Prior to that he was one of the guys that stood out the most because of his lack of production. But a minor tweak in the lineup helped untrack Backlund, so we'll see if that continues. In the first 20% of the schedule the majority of his games have been pedestrian and uneventful.

Anyone who has spent any amount of time watching Mikael Backlund over the course of his career should not be the least bit concerned about him. He consistently starts every year a little slow, and consistently finishes very strong. I see nothing in the mechanics of his game right now to suggest that is suddenly about to change.

It also doesn't change that he's fallen to the third line center and that is a substantial amount of money to invest in a player at that level. If the plan is to leave Lindholm at center, then Backlund is expansion fodder primarily because of his salary. This is going to be an opportunity to possibly correct the imbalance in the salary structure, and whoever is running the show come the expansion draft they will be looking to lose money from the bottom of the roster if possible.

You made a claim about the PRESENT value of Backlund's contract that is patently false. We can agree that in the long term there is a risk of this becoming a cap-problem, but that has yet to happen.

I agree that Backlund is likely to be exposed in the expansion draft, and in large measure because of his contract. But I also think if he is exposed he will be selected because he is an excellent player. Backlund could be the best available forward Leaguewide, and Seattle will likely not be a cap team for a few years.


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[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If it comes down to exposing Sam or Backlund - who do you expose?

Both?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Both?

Why?

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[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Both?

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Why?

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Only makes sense if the Flames acquire a 7th forward worth keeping over those 2 but I don’t see a player on their current roster rising up to that spot. I also do not see the Flames acquiring a difference maker forward where Bennett doesn’t get shipped out. So it makes no sense as of today.