[News] All-encompassing Bennett trade discussions thread

[KootenayFlamesFan]

There’s no guarantee Sam is playing tonight. Especially if a trade is close.

[Loyal and True]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

There’s no guarantee Sam is playing tonight. Especially if a trade is close.

Yes it would be silly to risk an injury if a trade was close. Especially if we were talking about a decent return in a trade. But I have read a lot of people say they don't think the return will be very much because 1 point and -5.

Meanwhile last game vs Jets was a huge game and tonight's is even bigger if we don't want to lose another 4 point game. Why wouldn't we be icing the best lineup?

The whole league knows he is on the trading block. There is no leverage in hiding it... especially if you are holding him out of the lineup.

So why not be straightforward and say "we'd love to have Bennett in the lineup but trade talk is heating up so we need to keep him out for the good of the organization"

Where has Treliving been all week? He is normally up front with media.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Loyal and True

No, it's all over the nhl news cycle in other Canadian markets. It's almost embarrassing.

I don't have high expectations of player agents, but I expect the organization to handle it better.

To me it's another example of how Ward makes very odd choices in high pressure situations.

Sports media will grab any story right now and talk about it at nauseum
It doesn’t mean that it actually is a big deal let alone embarrassing

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Loyal and True

Maybe let's not omit the fact that Ferris knew damn well he hadn't contacted Treliving about the issue

This is a fact? It sounds like speculation.

and that he's creating a s--- storm by giving Friedman the juicy goods before management.

Do you have evidence that management did not have the juicy goods already?

Unless you think management is lying and thus creating more controversy?

Either way it is a complete gongshow

Where is this "lie" from the management you allude to?

We don't know what discussions management and Ferris have had over the months/years.

I have not seen management even comment on the Bennett situation. Have you?

The only thing we even know is that Treliving and Bennett had a conversation about the publicity of this request recently. That may have been something as simple as "Hey, even though your agent went public with this, we're still not obligated to deal you. Hope you understand". But that is pure speculation on my part.

As far as I can tell, we do not know what management did or did not know about Bennett wanting out.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Loyal and True

Yes it would be silly to risk an injury if a trade was close. Especially if we were talking about a decent return in a trade. But I have read a lot of people say they don't think the return will be very much because 1 point and -5.

Meanwhile last game vs Jets was a huge game and tonight's is even bigger if we don't want to lose another 4 point game. Why wouldn't we be icing the best lineup?

The whole league knows he is on the trading block. There is no leverage in hiding it... especially if you are holding him out of the lineup.

So why not be straightforward and say "we'd love to have Bennett in the lineup but trade talk is heating up so we need to keep him out for the good of the organization"

Where has Treliving been all week? He is normally up front with media.

Because it isn’t a big enough story or thing to warrant the gm making a statement?
And perhaps Sam was scratched because he’s been terrible this year.

Because he has been.
Under performing players get scratched

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Because it isn’t a big enough story or thing to warrant the gm making a statement?
And perhaps Sam was scratched because he’s been terrible this year.

Because he has been.
Under performing players get scratched

Sometimes. Not if their last name is 5 letters, starting with L (there are more than 1)

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Loyal and True

Yes it would be silly to risk an injury if a trade was close. Especially if we were talking about a decent return in a trade. But I have read a lot of people say they don't think the return will be very much because 1 point and -5.

Meanwhile last game vs Jets was a huge game and tonight's is even bigger if we don't want to lose another 4 point game. Why wouldn't we be icing the best lineup?

The whole league knows he is on the trading block. There is no leverage in hiding it... especially if you are holding him out of the lineup.

So why not be straightforward and say "we'd love to have Bennett in the lineup but trade talk is heating up so we need to keep him out for the good of the organization"

Where has Treliving been all week? He is normally up front with media.

What makes you think that's not what Ward is doing?

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest he does that EVERY single time he fills out the line up card and sends it to the head official....and when at home that is done AFTER he sees the opponents line-up, and he then decides his 20 best to beat the others.

[FanIn80]

Why do people keep comparing Bennett to Lucic, in terms of who should sit out? Isn’t that kind of a race to the bottom of the barrel? “How come Lucic isn’t sitting? He’s worse than Bennett?” Well, let’s see, one is a 24 year old 4th overall pick who should still be capable of learning lessons and adapting... and the other is Milan Lucic.

Like seriously. If you’re all the way down to “but Lucic” then you’ve already lost.

[Yoho]

Sam’s in projected line up on Flames site.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1358158524203737089

[SeanCharles]

Simon up in top 6 again...

Yea let’s do that all season long.

Why not try this top 9 for once?:

Tkachuk-Lindholm-Mangiapane
Gaudreau-Monahan-Dube
Bennett-Backlund-Leivo

[Young Guns]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Simon up in top 6 again...

I just threw up a little...

[Patek23]

Hope he gets a Gordie Howe hat trick tonight.

[Toonage]

Simon skated after everyone else at the optional. My guess is he doesn't play.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Simon skated after everyone else at the optional. My guess is he doesn't play.

Yeah I'm not sure I trust this projected line up.

[ComixZone]

If those lines hold, Geoff Ward’s line-up construction is still complete garbage. I guess just about 20% of the season isn’t enough of a sample size for him.

[AC]

Originally Posted by comixzone

if those lines hold, geoff ward’s line-up construction is still complete garbage. I guess just about 20% of the season isn’t enough of a sample size for him.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1358163053553070081

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by 868904

The agent could say nothing.

When you say your player needs a change, you’ve disadvantaged the team.

Now opposing GMs know the player wants out.

I don’t like that Bennett was scratched and that his value is deteriorating but the agent got this ball rolling.

He has no obligation to comment just because the media asks. In fact, his first obligation is to not comment until he clears it with his client; that’s suppose to be how these relationships work. So did he clear it first, then approach Friedman to induce a question so he can make a comment?

Not necessarily - each player/agent relationship is different, but a few things are generally true:

- the relationship is built on implicit trust
- the player trusts the agent to act & advise in their best interest, even if sometimes that means doing it in a way the player may not love, or telling them something they don't want to hear.

One can presume that Bennet's top priorities are some order/weighting of:
- life/family happiness
- being the best hockey player he can be
- financial security
- being a good teammate
- loyalty to an organization/management

This is a critical crossroads in his career. Playing out the season as a plug in the hopes of boosting his value with more playoff magic is probably the worst possible path for him...it's not even guaranteed this team makes the playoffs.

Originally Posted by Loyal and True

I'll bet Bennett is a bit embarrassed about how this has played out.

In my opinion agents like Ferris *should* be embarrassed if they use the media instead of meeting management straight up behind closed doors.

In my opinion, Ward's odd decisions adding fuel to the story show a lack of understanding and poor judgement, which makes Treliving look bad too. (I haven't heard from Tre on any of this)

Obviously it would be far-fetched to say the organization has it's tail between its legs because Ryan is injured and Sam is gonna play two days after the Flames made him stand in the corner.

Bennett may well be. But it's also in his best interest.

Ferris [probably has nothing to be embarassed about. It strains credulity to imagine that Tre & co. didn't know exactly where Bennett's thoughts are. No different than any other pending UFA or RFA.

Ferris may have done the Flames a favour. It's an ugly trade market right now...more exposure/interest is probably better than not.

[FlamesAddiction]

I still don’t understand why scratching him is controversial. Any bottom 6 forward should expect to be occasionally rotated in and out of the line up.

If one of the top 6 was scratched then I can see why an explanation would be in order, but Bennett being scratched shouldn’t be scandalous.

[EVERLAST]

You'd think The way Froliks agent F d things up that any agent would tread a little softer and less public.....that crap definitely isn't good for the player he's representing.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

You'd think The way Froliks agent F d things up that any agent would tread a little softer and less public.....that crap definitely isn't good for the player he's representing.

It also reflects poorly on the GM, having a circus once a year is not a sign of a well-managed club. But I guess perennial mediocrity isn't really either.