[News] All-encompassing Bennett trade discussions thread

[Drunk Uncle]

XGF% for lines that Sam Bennett has been on with and without:

Player 1 Player 2 Player 3 xGF%
Sam Bennett- Josh Leivo- Mikael Backlund- 38.21
w/o Sam Bennett- Josh Leivo- Mikael Backlund- 68.18

Andrew Mangiapane- Sam Bennett- Mikael Backlund- 49.77
Andrew Mangiapane- w/o Bennett- Mikael Backlund- 76.42

Sam Bennett- Mikael Backlund- Milan Lucic- 84.67
w/o Sam Bennett- Mikael Backlund- Milan Lucic- 70.93

Sam Bennett- Sean Monahan- Johnny Gaudreau- 2.75
w/o Sam Bennett- Sean Monahan- Johnny Gaudreau- 57.51

2019/2020
Derek Ryan- Sam Bennett- Milan Lucic- 61.13
Derek Ryan- w/o Bennett- Milan Lucic- 51.02

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I'm all for trading Bennett, but if the return is close to that god awful fake MTL trade we should just keep him as a self rental for the season/playoffs and not qualify him in the summer.

So confused. What did anyone think we were gonna get for him?

A 3rd round pick and a middling prospect is a great return for a guy who can't crack our top 6.

[TheScorpion]

Well, that was weird. Wonder what happened for a guy at Sportsnet to get duped.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

So confused. What did anyone think we were gonna get for him?

A 3rd round pick and a middling prospect is a great return for a guy who can't crack our top 6.

You're undervaluing his moustache growing abilities.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

So confused. What did anyone think we were gonna get for him?

A 3rd round pick and a middling prospect is a great return for a guy who can't crack our top 6.

The middling prospect has to be better than the 9th best LD man we have in the organization. Bennett is at least a player in the bottom 6. Mete is not even close. The pick is meh.

I think Bennett has more value as a self rental than anything less than a 2nd rounder+ a random prospect.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Buff

You're undervaluing his moustache growing abilities.

It must be that because based on stats, we're getting 3rd/4th or another RFA with an anchor contract who isn't going to get qualified and needs a change of scenery.

I'd love it if Sam turned it around or BT could get a nice return, I just don't see any GM being stupid enough to trade a 2nd round pick for Curtis Lazar....wait a second. Aw crap.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The middling prospect has to be better than the 9th best LD man we have in the organization. Bennett is at least a player in the bottom 6. Mete is not even close. The pick is meh.

I think Bennett has more value as a self rental than anything less than a 2nd rounder+ a random prospect.

The fact Bennett has the most value right here on the Flames is almost certainly true.

Although BT may be factoring in the potential cap savings as a benefit as well.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The middling prospect has to be better than the 9th best LD man we have in the organization. Bennett is at least a player in the bottom 6. Mete is not even close. The pick is meh.

I think Bennett has more value as a self rental than anything less than a 2nd rounder+ a random prospect.

A 3rd rd pick for a 3rd line player is....meh? Im curious what you believe he would fetch?

[blender]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

I was suggesting where does that kind of play come from during playoffs if Bennett is not in the lineup.

Fair question (which I misunderstood).
Maybe that kind of play is not relevant to winning in the playoffs.
As fans we love it, and there are certainly times when you can see opposition D men hearing footsteps and making rushed plays, but maybe a relentless, but more controlled, forecheck can achieve the same result.
I guess I'm wondering if playoff Bennett--as much as it is stirring to watch--is even an asset the Flames will miss.

Just thoughts

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

It must be that because based on stats, we're getting 3rd/4th or another RFA with an anchor contract who isn't going to get qualified and needs a change of scenery.

I'd love it if Sam turned it around or BT could get a nice return, I just don't see any GM being stupid enough to trade a 2nd round pick for Curtis Lazar....wait a second. Aw crap.

a 3rd line forward should be worth about a #5 Dman, not a #9 Dman

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by blender

Fair question (which I misunderstood).
Maybe that kind of play is not relevant to winning in the playoffs.
As fans we love it, and there are certainly times when you can see opposition D men hearing footsteps and making rushed plays, but maybe a relentless, but more controlled, forecheck can achieve the same result.
I guess I'm wondering if playoff Bennett--as much as it is stirring to watch--is even an asset the Flames will miss.

Just thoughts

This should age well in June

[Monahammer]

Athansiou is a bottom 6 player throughout his career and he got 2 2nds.
Lazar got a 2nd.

bennett is worth at least a 2nd. Victor mete is worth literally nothing to us.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

a 3rd line forward should be worth about a #5 Dman, not a #9 Dman

Good thing that's not what the trade was for.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I don't see much of a fit with Dman coming back, but if it was the Chicago 3rd rounder, plus a lower pick and I would be fine with it.

[D as in David]

I'd be surprised if Bennett is traded now for a pick. More likely they get a warm body. By all accounts, he is good in the room and won't be a distraction if this stays out there for the rest of the season. Would still be able to get a pick in the off-season.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Good thing that's not what the trade was for.

the 3rd is also weak

trading one piece, for two lesser pieces, is a bad trade

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Athansiou is a bottom 6 player throughout his career and he got 2 2nds.
Lazar got a 2nd.

bennett is worth at least a 2nd. Victor mete is worth literally nothing to us.

To add to this, I think his league value is a 2nd. Interdivisional where we are going to see him 8 more times this season and playoffs is worth more.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Watch the Devils on Bennett. Just a hunch

[Wastedyouth]

Mete would be a ridiculously good add for Sam Bennett.

Kid can play. Still quite young and carries a much better cap hit which helps out the team.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by blender

Fair question (which I misunderstood).
Maybe that kind of play is not relevant to winning in the playoffs.
As fans we love it, and there are certainly times when you can see opposition D men hearing footsteps and making rushed plays, but maybe a relentless, but more controlled, forecheck can achieve the same result.
I guess I'm wondering if playoff Bennett--as much as it is stirring to watch--is even an asset the Flames will miss.

Just thoughts

It is fair if you think that way and I won't try to convince you otherwise but I do think it matters. I think heavy players matter during playoffs, playing heavy because it is a different game (officiating, intensity etc.)

IMO playoff hockey gets less pretty and more heavy/gritty (I guess I am trying to convince you haha).

But as I stated in an earlier post, if you don't think it's important then to each their own but I respect your position because I could be wrong.