[News] All-encompassing Bennett trade discussions thread

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Must have skipped watching the playoffs then huh?

I said net positive. How many games has he had like that over his career?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Igottago

There is no empirical data is going to show me Bennett has been a net positive contributor to this team over his time here. You can pull out any advanced stats you want, but in this case I trust what I've seen on the ice over a number of years.

Conversely, ignoring evidence and sticking with your personal bias, no matter what, is an even worse way to go

[Jeff Lebowski]

Bennett is a heavy player in the playoffs and I think you need those type of guys in the second season. When I'm watching videos of Bennett in the playoffs I see a guy who can lean on defencmen and take the onslaught from big guys and make plays. The trenches as it were.

If you don't think playing heavy or having heavy players is important then to each their own. If people are saying why doesn't he play heavy in the regular season my response is I don't care if he does it in the playoffs (which he has if you are paying attention).

Obviously you need to get to the playoffs but take this to the logical conclusion..

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Conversely, ignoring evidence and sticking with your personal bias, no matter what, is an even worse way to go

Which is not what I'm doing.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Hockey stats do not refute anything.

Very true. Good catch.

[Igottago]

In any case I don't think the stats even point out much positive to Bennett's game. I don't feel like advanced stats or otherwise there is much of a case that the Flames have to be hanging onto this player.

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by calumniate

I don't understand why you'd trade him. He's only 18, 19 years old

Because he asked for a trade.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Igottago

I'm not insinuating you don't love the game, you obviously have a huge dedication to it. I just often see (maybe I'm wrong) a very advanced stats first or stats heavy approach to your takes, which sometimes don't jive with what I'm seeing play out in reality. For example, I do think Bennett is pretty replaceable. Even if we agree he's third liner in terms of his place in the league, there are a host of traits and capabilities that various 3rd liners have, and I don't think he has many of the good ones.
Anyways the spreadsheet comment probably could have been left out of it, I apologize for that.

I watch the games so intently that I get annoyed if people talk during them.

But I love stats.

I have a watch that tracks the distance of every golf shot, and I can't go for a run without knowing all the vitals.

But my first post in this topic today was as follows

Originally Posted by Bingo

Huh?

Bennett is literally last place in CF% and last place in xGF% this year.

There's the defense ... guessing Ward would take less time than me to come up with that.

I'm seeing the same thing, and the stats back it up.

Bennett has been terrible this year.

Appreciate the spreadsheet comment

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

It seems to be just advanced enough to go over a lot of peoples heads?

I guess you feel that we should probably trade or sit Rasmus Andersson immediately as his CF% is lower then Sam Bennett’s.


I am now questioning Wards decision to continue playing this player.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by btimbit

https://twitter.com/user/status/1357396663225188357

I like the sound of that. At this point a big return will make me really happy about seeing Bennett go in a trade.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by David Struch

Lol,

I wonder if Sam knows he is literally last place in CF% and last place in xGF% this year.

Pretty sure Simon is worse for relative Corsi.

[btimbit]

Friedman apparently said on a radio station in Buffalo about an hour ago that Bennett trade talks are really heating up and that he thinks the scratching is related

[MrMike]

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@DhaliwalSports
on Sam Bennett:

"Trade situation is heating up & I’ve been told this morning that the #Canucks don’t have enough assets to make this deal for Sam Bennett."

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Friedman apparently said on a radio station in Buffalo about an hour ago that Bennett trade talks are really heating up and that he thinks the scratching is related

Friedman is an instigator

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Friedman is an instigator

2-minute minor?

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

I guess you feel that we should probably trade or sit Rasmus Andersson immediately as his CF% is lower then Sam Bennett’s.


I am now question Wards decision to continue playing this player.

I definitely think that Giordano should be taken off that pairing ASAP. And that Andersson is not ready to carry the husk of Giordano yet.

And that's not all on Giordano. Andersson is getting better. But he isn't ready for the minutes he is playing.

Than being said, this isn't year 7 for him like it is for Bennett and Andersson contributes more positives than Bennett does in significantly more ice time.

So I can see how the coach may want to ride that pairing a bit longer.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by MrMike

'
@DhaliwalSports
on Sam Bennett:

"Trade situation is heating up & I’ve been told this morning that the #Canucks don’t have enough assets to make this deal for Sam Bennett."

Well it sounds like Tre is asking for something more than just spare parts then, which is good.

[troutman]

I would enjoy fleecing the Canucks some more!

[SeanCharles]

It’s somewhat comical reading through this thread and seeing just how polarizing a player Bennett really is..

You got the crowd at one extreme that are likely bitter at how our highest draft selection has been so lacklustre and believe he is a 4th line/replacement level bum.

Then you got the crowd that says he has not been afforded enough opportunities and has been saddled with bums his whole career and would thrive if given an extended look with good players and in a stable role.

There is a middle group that likely have feelings similar to both sides but not to the same extremes.

I for one do not think Bennett is a 4th liner/replacement level player. I do think he could do better with given more opportunities and a stable role. But for me that role would have been 3rd line center behind Lindholm and Monahan.

The problem is we have Backlund here who has earned more goodwill with the organization with his strong play over the years.

I will be sad to see Sam go and the asset management side of me would rather us trade Backlund because he isn’t getting any younger and cap space is at a premium. But I am also realistic about all this and also love Backlund so would be perfectly fine to see him stay and Bennett go to another team and given a fresh start.

The main things for me are we have to make sure we get good value because there are aspects of his game that will be missed and what does this all mean in the expansion draft?

We aren’t trading Bennett for a Dman or goalie so it’s either a for a forward, for pieces we don’t need to worry about in expansion or it’s a larger deal. So if it’s for a forward is this forward just going to be exposed in a few months time?

I dunno what the answer is but I’m partly sad for our highest pick ever being dealt, partly worried about what does this do for expansion and partly excited for the trade return possibilities.

I just hope we get a player back that is worth protecting in expansion and ideally is a RHed shot who is young enough to contribute for a number of years.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by btimbit

2-minute minor?

And a game.

I don’t think the Flames are terribly pleased with him